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Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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How does air recirculation with increasing co2 compare to having to breath/smell car exhaust, cigarette smoke, etc through vents? I started doing recirculation as my default years ago due to that.

Generally, use recirc only briefly when driving through heavy exhaust, smoke, dust, chemicals, smells. Return to fresh air once you've cleared that. Some sources suggest recirc for heavy traffic -- I'd prefer a good filtration system. And for rapidly heating or cooling a car, recirc can help. My preference is to open windows & sunroof (where present) to flush out hot air first, in hot weather. In cold weather, the he…

Fresh just doesn't work well enough compared to recirculated for me. If the car isn't getting cold enough, recirculation being off is always the culprit.

I've questioned why fresh is even there (seems unlikely co2 would be the reason) - it's always going to be less efficient and you can open a window if you want fresh air.

Anecdotally I feel fine driving for 2 hours straight in recirculated air with closed windows.

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What if all of humanity’s bad decisions are caused by this? Imagine if we started holding board meetings, etc outdoors and we fixed all our problems. Maybe an idea for a book?

Also, it's a great way to make sure meetings don't go on too long, hold them in the rain :)

This reminds me of privy council meetings in the UK.

The monarch traditionally does not sit, and therefore nobody else can, ensuring the meetings remain short.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privy_Council_of_the_United_Ki...

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I own a CO2 monitor and it is shocking how high it can get in a house with two people just existing. 800 ppm or more. Outside air is 410. In a car with air on recirculate, it was getting to >1220 ppm, a level that impairs decision making and lowers brain function. I try to drive with air on fresh from now on. I don’t doubt the air in our conference room with 20 people gets super high in CO2 as the meeting goes on, an…

How does air recirculation with increasing co2 compare to having to breath/smell car exhaust, cigarette smoke, etc through vents? I started doing recirculation as my default years ago due to that.

Cars are built to mostly recirculate the cabin air when the recirculate option is turned on. Note that cabins are not fully sealed from the outside. You have multiple vents located throughout the car whose job is to keep the outside elements away and let the cabin "breathe".

Leave it on recirculate unless you are defrosting your windows.

Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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I own a CO2 monitor and it is shocking how high it can get in a house with two people just existing. 800 ppm or more. Outside air is 410. In a car with air on recirculate, it was getting to >1220 ppm, a level that impairs decision making and lowers brain function. I try to drive with air on fresh from now on. I don’t doubt the air in our conference room with 20 people gets super high in CO2 as the meeting goes on, an…

What kind of car is it? Year/model/mileage if you dont mind.

Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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post #29

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Is one person, or two in a closed room overnight the same, or similar to a conference room with say, 15-20 people for several hours? My apologies if you addressed this.

Not sure what CO2 levels that would generate - you'd need to measure to be sure. But my calculations suggest that effects are negligible even up to ~5000 ppm, and many of these studies are boohooing about 1-2000ppm conditions. I do think this area is understudied. It's just that being afraid of the air supply is such an easy way to nocebo yourself.

I have a pedantic correction.

The lowest number this article talks about being bad is 945ppm. A ppm of 600 is discussed as "fairly low" co2 levels. They are clearly not boohooing over the entire range of 1-2000.

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Generally, use recirc only briefly when driving through heavy exhaust, smoke, dust, chemicals, smells. Return to fresh air once you've cleared that. Some sources suggest recirc for heavy traffic -- I'd prefer a good filtration system. And for rapidly heating or cooling a car, recirc can help. My preference is to open windows & sunroof (where present) to flush out hot air first, in hot weather. In cold weather, the he…

Fresh just doesn't work well enough compared to recirculated for me. If the car isn't getting cold enough, recirculation being off is always the culprit. I've questioned why fresh is even there (seems unlikely co2 would be the reason) - it's always going to be less efficient and you can open a window if you want fresh air. Anecdotally I feel fine driving for 2 hours straight in recirculated air with closed windows.

Fresh is there at least partly because cars didn't used to have AC. If you are driving in-town or stop-and-go having a fan on your face with fresh air takes a bit of the edge off.

Also in heating mode, there's little reason not to use fresh, as we can heat up cars really easily.

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Please, not the open air movement again. Edit: for the non-stewards of History that have no idea what I'm talking about: http://digg.com/video/what-was-the-open-air-movement-and-how...

That was fascinating. Little did I know the cinema is to blame for AC.

What do you mean "to blame," as if AC is a bad thing?

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It’s interesting to see how differently first aid is taught across countries. Eg the last training I did in the US (California), I was surprised by two things that I had not encountered when I was trained in France: - a big concern around pathogens - always have gloves with you and put them on when administering first aid especially if the person is bleeding; use a mouth dam for mouth to mouth and if you don’t have o…

The most surprising things I was taught when taking classes in Germany (which went beyond the mandatory classes you have to take to get a driver's license) are the following. Well, not really surprising once you think about it... - Mouth-to-nose is usually better than mouth-to-mouth, at least when there is no obstructions (like bleeding, broken nose, snot, etc). - If you're doing chest compressions, expect a high pro…

> "Don't be shy, no time for false modesty, it may cost a life."

Or it may cost the rescuer quite a bit when a woman regains consciousness half-naked with a man on top of her.

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Atmospheric CO2 will be 800 in what, 30 years?

No, but 500 easily. I believe it's growing at about 3ppm/yr. 800ppm is looking plausible by 2100, though, unless we take major steps to curb emissions.

Adam Tooze posted this on twitter just now:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5_zaDzWwAActB6?format=jpg&name=...

Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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I picked up a CO2 monitor a while ago myself, and the biggest surprise was having it on in the morning in our bedroom with the doors closed. It was easily over 1000ppm IIRC. Ever since then I've made sure to set my AC system to run the "house fan" for 15 minutes or so every hour at night just to circulate the air in the house, and while the numbers went down significantly, anecdotally I swear that I wake up easier in…

I monitored the CO2 in my bedroom every second for three months and I found results similar to you. If I was sitting right next to the sensor in the evening it would go up to about 1900 ppm. Cracking open the window for an hour or so eventually brought things down to the 500ppm range. What was interesting is how fast the ppm increases when someone enters the room. I would plot the data and see a blip on the graph whe…

I noticed the same when I am sitting near the sensor. I'm thinking though that it is partially due to me essentially breathing onto the sensor and the sensor dynamics having an averaging function so that I'm not sure what the sensor reports and what I breathe in are the same. Repositioning the sensor so it wasn't in the "line of sight" of my breath changed the readings significantly.
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