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Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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Your post has made me consider getting a C02 monitor, will something as simple as this 20 buck Chinese version suffice? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIADJN8NP4... Seems a useful thing to have. Separately it is very stressful being on stage at conferences that are stuffy with no fresh air, hot stage lights and probably very low oxygen. I had a friend who did press ups before going on stage to ener…

IIRC the thing to be aware of is that a monitor that actually measures CO2 is going to cost several hundred dollars. The cheap ones don't measure CO2, but some kind of VOC as a proxy. So depending on the source of the CO2, they can be more or less accurate. Something to research. I'm not an expert, just someone who recently did some shopping for CO2 monitors for my home.

What did you end up buying?

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I own a CO2 monitor and it is shocking how high it can get in a house with two people just existing. 800 ppm or more. Outside air is 410. In a car with air on recirculate, it was getting to >1220 ppm, a level that impairs decision making and lowers brain function. I try to drive with air on fresh from now on. I don’t doubt the air in our conference room with 20 people gets super high in CO2 as the meeting goes on, an…

there's a podcast Ashes Ashes (07 - "Last Gasp") that did a whole episode on CO2 and the studies that track the various effects on our health depending on how high the ppm gets. Apparently has a big impact on cognition, and they made the point that all of civilization could be dumber because of base CO2.

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I own a CO2 monitor and it is shocking how high it can get in a house with two people just existing. 800 ppm or more. Outside air is 410. In a car with air on recirculate, it was getting to >1220 ppm, a level that impairs decision making and lowers brain function. I try to drive with air on fresh from now on. I don’t doubt the air in our conference room with 20 people gets super high in CO2 as the meeting goes on, an…

How many plants are needed to counter this?

If you want this to work at night, you need a CA (crassulacean acid metabolism) plant.

Practically speaking, that means a bunch of succulents.

Re: Is Conference Room Air Making Us Dumber?

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I own a CO2 monitor and it is shocking how high it can get in a house with two people just existing. 800 ppm or more. Outside air is 410. In a car with air on recirculate, it was getting to >1220 ppm, a level that impairs decision making and lowers brain function. I try to drive with air on fresh from now on. I don’t doubt the air in our conference room with 20 people gets super high in CO2 as the meeting goes on, an…

which Air/CO2 monitor is everyone using?

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Buildings used to be much draughtier, so it wasn't so much an issue. My landlord at my old place was always adding new insulation. Co2 levels there would get really high with windows shut. My new apartment has much lower ambient co2. Both were built 100 years ago. I think people also used to leave windows open a bit, even in winter. My (Canadian) grandma always did, and I hear it was the custom in Germany. Modern bui…

When I was in elementary school, one of my classmates ended up missing school for a while because of a bad heater and carbon monoxide poisoning. That freaked me out. But everything I read was that this was a relatively new problem because newer houses were less drafty than old houses. It wasn’t clear to me (at the time) whether old houses were draftier when built, although I have to assume they were (otherwise carbon…

Yes, building standards have changed dramatically in the last 50 years. In particular, plastic "house wrap" vapor barriers are standard now, which is a product that had be precedent. There is a tremendous amount of air exchange even through a well-built 'solid' wall with no vapor barrier.

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Helmets? That's interesting; I tend to open the visor a bit when at a stop, it gets really warm in there really fast. I know you shouldn't try to take off a helmet in case of an accident, but is opening the visor at least okay?

> I know you shouldn't try to take off a helmet in case of an accident, At least here in Germany this advice is considered outdated and people in (mandatory for driving) first aid courses get taught a simple technique to remove a helmet safely (ideally with two people). Reason being is that with the helmet on it is harder to monitor breathing and impossible / very difficult to do CPR, and the helmet will also interfe…

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IIRC the thing to be aware of is that a monitor that actually measures CO2 is going to cost several hundred dollars. The cheap ones don't measure CO2, but some kind of VOC as a proxy. So depending on the source of the CO2, they can be more or less accurate. Something to research. I'm not an expert, just someone who recently did some shopping for CO2 monitors for my home.

What did you end up buying?

I didn't. Part of my requirements are that I can tie the device into my home automation. After doing a lot of digging and not finding something I wanted, I shelved the idea of adding CO2 sensors to my house for now. Decided instead to just assume CO2 was high, and I'm having a whole-house HRV installed in a few months.

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> I know you shouldn't try to take off a helmet in case of an accident, At least here in Germany this advice is considered outdated and people in (mandatory for driving) first aid courses get taught a simple technique to remove a helmet safely (ideally with two people). Reason being is that with the helmet on it is harder to monitor breathing and impossible / very difficult to do CPR, and the helmet will also interfe…

It’s interesting to see how differently first aid is taught across countries. Eg the last training I did in the US (California), I was surprised by two things that I had not encountered when I was trained in France: - a big concern around pathogens - always have gloves with you and put them on when administering first aid especially if the person is bleeding; use a mouth dam for mouth to mouth and if you don’t have o…

The most surprising things I was taught when taking classes in Germany (which went beyond the mandatory classes you have to take to get a driver's license) are the following. Well, not really surprising once you think about it...

- Mouth-to-nose is usually better than mouth-to-mouth, at least when there is no obstructions (like bleeding, broken nose, snot, etc).

- If you're doing chest compressions, expect a high probability of breaking a few ribs. Don't stop, as it is highly unlikely the ribs will break "inwards" and puncture a lung, and a broken rib is still better than being dead.

- Remove all clothing from the chest area you're working during CPR. Yes, that includes bras, specifically. The reason being that any clothes will hurt your hands/rip your gloves (if you have some)/shave the skin off your hand especially when you have to do CPR for 15mins. Bras in particular often have wires etc in them that will hurt your hands even worse. As one of the EMTs training us put it: "Don't be shy, no time for false modesty, it may cost a life."

- Don't forget to breath when giving mouth-to-*. Also, don't forget to actually lift your head when you breath. Else you will just breath in the spent air again that you and the person you're helping just exhaled. Given that CPR is very physically taxing, according to the EMTs it is quite common for people giving the CPR to faint themselves if they breath incorrectly.

- It is more important to call for help than to do CPR. Always call first, if you're alone. And stay on the phone until you're being told you can get off the line. Apparently a lot of people either do not call, or call, scream some stuff into the phone, then hang up to administer help, often forgetting to tell crucial details like their location because it is such a high stress situation.

- Defibrillators do not actually restart hearts that stopped beating. They essentially stop the heart in order to reboot it in hopes it will restart with a proper pace/rhythm.

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What if all of humanity’s bad decisions are caused by this? Imagine if we started holding board meetings, etc outdoors and we fixed all our problems. Maybe an idea for a book?

Also, it's a great way to make sure meetings don't go on too long, hold them in the rain :)

don't worry SCRUM believers would still find a way to make them drag on for 2 hours
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