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This feels like a very unique HN thread. I can't recall seeing people actually attempting to defend something like this before on HN.
'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
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Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#32Every time I read about what China is doing to Uighurs, my heart sinks. Putting people in camps, monitoring their every move, coating it all with bureaucracy and lies. This is what genocide looks like. And nobody has the courage to stand up to China. Not even to publicly denounce them. Isn't this what the UN is for? To impose economic sanctions on flagrant human rights abusers? (Please, no whataboutism replies, what…
The current US president has been fairly tough on china - through vocal statements as well as tariffs and other actions.
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed, China was not compelled to agree to the Declaration of Human Rights, they signed on to it voluntarily.
It was the Republic of China that signed on to it.
Are you suggesting China's official position today is that it is no longer bound by its previous agreement? They could officially withdraw if that were the case. Articles like this from 2008 don't give any indication that they feel that way: https://web.archive.org/web/20160729200250/http://news.xinhu...
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
So then we should bulldoze all Christian churches, too? Numbers 31 "The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.” 3 So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites so that they may carry out the Lord’s vengeance on them...7 They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every…
The Chinese government is destroying Christian churches too. "Over the past year, local governments have shut hundreds of unofficial congregations or “house churches” that operate outside the government-approved church network, including Early Rain. A statement signed by 500 house church leaders in November says authorities have removed crosses from buildings, forced churches to hang the Chinese flag and sing patriot…
Exactly my point. Good and evil, in the real world, have no correlation with religious symbols. Both the oppressed and the oppressors are both Muslims and Christians.
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#35How would the Uighurs run a country where they were the majority? Sadly, we have two governments, one(the Uighurs) believes in a warlike state where religion is the authority and another warlike one (China) where the secular state is the authority and China is larger. These states that blend state and religious power all seem headed towards religious oligopolies - Iran comes to mind. What happens when the states of E…
Islam will prevail unreformed. Forced conversion is both unnecessary and invalid.
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
So then we should bulldoze all Christian churches, too? Numbers 31 "The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.” 3 So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites so that they may carry out the Lord’s vengeance on them...7 They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every…
The Chinese government is destroying Christian churches too. "Over the past year, local governments have shut hundreds of unofficial congregations or “house churches” that operate outside the government-approved church network, including Early Rain. A statement signed by 500 house church leaders in November says authorities have removed crosses from buildings, forced churches to hang the Chinese flag and sing patriot…
Why are you acting like that's a good thing?
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#37(off-topic/meta) This feels like a very unique HN thread. I can't recall seeing people actually attempting to defend something like this before on HN.
Specifically concerning the camps in China, every single thread I've seen has a number of people defending it. It appears to be mostly commenters who greatly fear islam and/or Chinese individuals who support the current regime.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Attaching agreed-upon bad things like authoritarianism and terrorism and oppression onto arbitrary symbols like Islam and secularism is fallacious. Those superficial symbols make for terrible indicators of actual evil, and rhetoric like the above only serves to increase the injustice done to innocent people. See the recent Christchurch attack.
Isn't Islam the only religion that says that all other religions are false?
Most Christian denominations I've encountered claim the same, and often even narrow that claim to their specific denomination (many Evangelicals believing that Catholics won't make the cut when it comes to going to heaven, for example).
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
A religion is an ethnicity too. Many Muslims are peaceful. To lump them all together is broad-strokes-painting with deadly consequences.
I agree. I was referring to the US President's proposed ban on Muslim immigrants. I'm curious, what would be your solution to terrorist activity in western China?
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Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#40How would the Uighurs run a country where they were the majority? Sadly, we have two governments, one(the Uighurs) believes in a warlike state where religion is the authority and another warlike one (China) where the secular state is the authority and China is larger. These states that blend state and religious power all seem headed towards religious oligopolies - Iran comes to mind. What happens when the states of E…
Attaching agreed-upon bad things like authoritarianism and terrorism and oppression onto arbitrary symbols like Islam and secularism is fallacious. Those superficial symbols make for terrible indicators of actual evil, and rhetoric like the above only serves to increase the injustice done to innocent people. See the recent Christchurch attack.
OP is right in observing that Islam is not compatible with political system in China. Islam has certain political goals built in. Chinese system requires political monopoly and keeping religion private matter. Hence the confrontation is logical and unavoidable.
Not that I am saying what is happening is right.