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CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by nabla9 »

Chazprime wrote: post #53
nickysielicki wrote: post #26

I feel like free speech has never been under such attack. Culturally, we don't care about it, we find offensive content more offensive than censorship of offensive content. Politically, they can censor you completely if they want to by hitting you with an NSL. EFF says that happens 60 times a day. The most hard hitting journalist in the west, Julian Assange, was just put in jail. I'm scared about the future. It's not…

Julian Assange is a journalist? Not sure I agree with that labeling.

Journalist don't have to be good journalist to qualify as a journalist.

"Not a real journalist" opinions follow the "Not a real X." where X can also be American, Patriot, good persont etc. where informally deciding something allow you to strip them their rights.

I think Assange has gone shit over the time, but that does not mean that I jump into the bandwagon where I change categories arbitrarily and quit tinkling based on general principles.

When Assange wants to be a journalist, he should receive critique as a journalist. He certainly has screwed up plenty. But he should also receive some protections when appropriate.

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Post by kuzehanka »

zouhair wrote: post #62

I don't get why you are acting so surprised. In Capitalism the only point is to make money, that's all there is. If siding with human rights helps make money they will side with human rights, if genocide helps make even more money they will side with genocide. As long as Capitalism is the main economic system this will always be only about the profits.

This sounds like the kind of whataboutism you'd encounter on any thread negatively countering China, but it isn't. This is an uncontroversial fact about capitalism that Adam Smith covered before capitalism even emerged as a concept.

The goal of capitalism is to maximize production output. Everything else is peripheral. Maybe it's a hard truth to come to grips with, but that is what we need to do in order to move forward on resolving today's issues.

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Post by [deleted] »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #107
Chazprime wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Julian Assange is a journalist? Not sure I agree with that labeling.

Don't trust his motives or bias, but if folk at the Daily Mail and Fox News supposedly qualify as journalists, then Assange counts, and then isn't even one of the most biased. Personally I'd place him more in an editorial role than a journalist, but I suspect he may disagree.

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Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by glenneroo »

komali2 wrote: post #96
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CBS is an American based company; given its blatant human rights violations, perhaps they should not station employees in their home country?

I didn't claim the United States is perfect, but it certainly isn't mass incarcerating members of a peaceful religious group and harvesting their organs, so I won't agree to your false equivalence.

> In September 2013, the incarceration rate of the United States of America was the highest in the world, at 716 per 100,000 of the national population. While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_ra...

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by mduerksen »

wavefunction wrote: post #109
mduerksen wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A journalist is a person who collects, writes, or distributes news or other current information to the public. [1] Check. You can argue about whether his style is commendable or not (for codes of conduct see [2]), but that does not change the fact that he is a journalist . [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalist [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standard...

I reject your Wikipedia links as authoritative sources on what constitutes a journalist as well as your contention that he's doing anything other than dumping documents (selectively).

Okay, do you have a better definition?

And, of course he does more than dumping documents. For example, he has to come by them (collecting as a journalist does), which is no small feat considering which kind of documents we are taking about.

If you're genuinely curious, just take a look at his work [1] to see that it's absolutely not "just dumping documents".

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange

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Post by Miner49er »

gtfratteus wrote: post #61

What are the odds this will teach the American left that censorship is not a good thing and lead them to stop demanding Google, Twitter, and Facebook ban every user who wants to reduce immigration? 1%? 0%?

I don't think this is a good comparison. The bans you are talking about (ignoring the hyperbole) are for hate speech. This is censhorship of critisicm of an authoritarian government. I don't think the two are remotely comparable.

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Post by berbec »

wavefunction wrote: post #109
mduerksen wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A journalist is a person who collects, writes, or distributes news or other current information to the public. [1] Check. You can argue about whether his style is commendable or not (for codes of conduct see [2]), but that does not change the fact that he is a journalist . [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalist [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standard...

I reject your Wikipedia links as authoritative sources on what constitutes a journalist as well as your contention that he's doing anything other than dumping documents (selectively).

If "dumping documents" doesn't qualify as a journalist, should the New York Times return it's Pulitzer for the Pentagon Papers? [1]

1: https://www.pulitzer.org/article/race-publish-pentagon-paper... 2: https://www.nytimes.com/1972/05/02/archives/the-times-wins-a...

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

rhizome wrote: post #108
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re not logged in, you’re not (verifiably) a subscriber, so I’m not sure how that’s relevent. I for one would much rather NYT block adblock users than increase their reliance on native ads. Also, native ads are relatively new, what do you mean “for 150 years”?

Native ads are what print newspapers have, and they don't require logins. They'd just charge Chevrolet $50,000 to run a skyscraper on sports articles for a week or whatever.

Print newspapers don't require logins because you can't read a print paper unless you already purchased it. To replicate that online, a login is necessary.

I was under the impression the New York Times didn't allow companies to pay for custom articles until recently, but I could be wrong. Do you know when this happened?

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Post by vertline3 »

kuzehanka wrote: post #122
zouhair wrote: post #62

I don't get why you are acting so surprised. In Capitalism the only point is to make money, that's all there is. If siding with human rights helps make money they will side with human rights, if genocide helps make even more money they will side with genocide. As long as Capitalism is the main economic system this will always be only about the profits.

This sounds like the kind of whataboutism you'd encounter on any thread negatively countering China, but it isn't. This is an uncontroversial fact about capitalism that Adam Smith covered before capitalism even emerged as a concept. The goal of capitalism is to maximize production output. Everything else is peripheral. Maybe it's a hard truth to come to grips with, but that is what we need to do in order to move forw…

This whole thread derails from the topic of American CBS censorship,

so it sort of did fall into a whataboutism type of distraction cycle.

Theoretically capitalist companies that are censoring important content can be pressured with boycotts over censorship, though I'm not sure how feasible that is here.

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Post by Miner49er »

komali2 wrote: post #41
save_ferris wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, that's the cost of courting a massive market backed by an authoritarian regime. Personally, I don't agree with it, but Capitalism isn't inherently moral. China has such a massive trade presence globally that companies are willing to abandon domestic values to make them happy. The media certainly aren't the only party guilty of this (tech & military companies selling surveillance technology, etc.) It's…

>Don't hate the player, hate the game." It's possible to be ethical in a capitalist system. I don't believe it's acceptable to give them a free pass because they chose the option that might be the most profitable (and that's arguable).

It is possible, but capitalism often incentives the opposite.
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