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CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by msla »

GalacticDomin8r wrote: post #88
CharlesColeman wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As long as Capitalism is the main economic system this will always be only about the profits. I disagree. It's a matter of priorities. It's totally possible for a capitalist society to prioritize things like human rights, etc. over profits through political and social means. I think the main issue here is that capitalist institutions and capitalist thinking are ascendent (in the US at least) while rival political a…

> It's totally possible for a capitalist society to prioritize things like human rights, etc. over profits through political and social means. I believe that is what most people would call socialism. When taken at its root idea anyway.

Socialism is all about worker ownership of business, often mediated through the state. Morality doesn't enter into it.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by swebs »

GalacticDomin8r wrote: post #88
CharlesColeman wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As long as Capitalism is the main economic system this will always be only about the profits. I disagree. It's a matter of priorities. It's totally possible for a capitalist society to prioritize things like human rights, etc. over profits through political and social means. I think the main issue here is that capitalist institutions and capitalist thinking are ascendent (in the US at least) while rival political a…

> It's totally possible for a capitalist society to prioritize things like human rights, etc. over profits through political and social means. I believe that is what most people would call socialism. When taken at its root idea anyway.

>I believe that is what most people would call socialism.

Like China?

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by b_tterc_p »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #107
Chazprime wrote: post #53

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Julian Assange is a journalist? Not sure I agree with that labeling.

Don't trust his motives or bias, but if folk at the Daily Mail and Fox News supposedly qualify as journalists, then Assange counts, and then isn't even one of the most biased. Personally I'd place him more in an editorial role than a journalist, but I suspect he may disagree.

I won’t make any specific judgments to any outlets but at a certain point you’re really just a propagandist rather than a journalist if your primary goal is to sway public opinion instead of informing people on the truth.

So I think relativism doesn’t help here.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by krapp »

msla wrote: post #111
GalacticDomin8r wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's totally possible for a capitalist society to prioritize things like human rights, etc. over profits through political and social means. I believe that is what most people would call socialism. When taken at its root idea anyway.

Socialism is all about worker ownership of business, often mediated through the state. Morality doesn't enter into it.

You're confusing socialism with communism. Socialism is a political philosophy, whereas communism is one specific (but not the only possible) implementation of that philosophy. Socialism is also intended to be a criticism of and attempt to redress the immorality of capitalism, so morality does enter into it, at least in theory.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by mikequinlan »

scohesc wrote: post #18

It's a bit telling when a media giant like CBS can't strike a happy medium by you know - both not censoring it in the US and censoring it in china - instead, choosing to censor the whole thing outright on the entire platform. It's almost like all these American companies are moving en masse to do business in China with the sole purpose of increasing profits every single quarter, irrespective of (and arguably, now enc…

CBS said "This is the creative solution that we agreed upon with the producers". I have been wondering if the producers insisted that the segment be censored in all regions so that everyone would know about it. Otherwise Americans would never know about the censorship.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by grenoire »

b_tterc_p wrote: post #114
inflatableDodo wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't trust his motives or bias, but if folk at the Daily Mail and Fox News supposedly qualify as journalists, then Assange counts, and then isn't even one of the most biased. Personally I'd place him more in an editorial role than a journalist, but I suspect he may disagree.

I won’t make any specific judgments to any outlets but at a certain point you’re really just a propagandist rather than a journalist if your primary goal is to sway public opinion instead of informing people on the truth. So I think relativism doesn’t help here.

It's not Assange's fault if the truth caused opinions to sway.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by iandanforth »

CharlesColeman wrote: post #85
iandanforth wrote: post #5

Failure to walk away from the show over this has lost the writers any moral high ground they might have once held.

> Failure to walk away from the show over this has lost the writers any moral high ground they might have once held. No. This kind of thing is far more effective. I'd probably have never even heard about this unless they'd stayed and gone on-air with a notice like this. If they walked they'd have been replaced and new writers would have made substitute content.

There will be no effect. No one took a stand, this will be forgotten immediately.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by inflatableDodo »

b_tterc_p wrote: post #114
inflatableDodo wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't trust his motives or bias, but if folk at the Daily Mail and Fox News supposedly qualify as journalists, then Assange counts, and then isn't even one of the most biased. Personally I'd place him more in an editorial role than a journalist, but I suspect he may disagree.

I won’t make any specific judgments to any outlets but at a certain point you’re really just a propagandist rather than a journalist if your primary goal is to sway public opinion instead of informing people on the truth. So I think relativism doesn’t help here.

>if your primary goal is to sway public opinion instead of informing people on the truth.

That could cut out a lot. So much of journalism sits in a grey area in the middle of that.

edit - With my cynical hat on, the mainstream press, a. shifts product, b. sways opinion and c. tells stories that it thinks people are interested in to help a. and b.

The press has found over time that most of the new stories people are interested in are in some regard varying degrees of true, or at least based on the fact something may have happened, so it publishes those. Actually publishing truth is something it essentially does entirely by accident, almost in the same way as Hollywood occaisionaly produces art.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by all2 »

swebs wrote: post #113
GalacticDomin8r wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's totally possible for a capitalist society to prioritize things like human rights, etc. over profits through political and social means. I believe that is what most people would call socialism. When taken at its root idea anyway.

>I believe that is what most people would call socialism. Like China?

Do you mean China is socialist? Or that the Communist party is calling the US socialist? Or something else?
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