'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
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Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#2Every time I read about what China is doing to Uighurs, my heart sinks. Putting people in camps, monitoring their every move, coating it all with bureaucracy and lies. This is what genocide looks like.
And nobody has the courage to stand up to China. Not even to publicly denounce them.
Isn't this what the UN is for? To impose economic sanctions on flagrant human rights abusers?
(Please, no whataboutism replies, what any other country is doing does not justify what China is doing.)
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#3Every time I read about what China is doing to Uighurs, my heart sinks. Putting people in camps, monitoring their every move, coating it all with bureaucracy and lies. This is what genocide looks like. And nobody has the courage to stand up to China. Not even to publicly denounce them. Isn't this what the UN is for? To impose economic sanctions on flagrant human rights abusers? (Please, no whataboutism replies, what…
The US is actually trying to raise some noise about this, but few are willing to join the fray.
But for now, forget UN and forget the West.
Even the Islamic World and it's biggest representative, the OIC, is reluctant to even make a comment about it! Totally appalling!
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#4Every time I read about what China is doing to Uighurs, my heart sinks. Putting people in camps, monitoring their every move, coating it all with bureaucracy and lies. This is what genocide looks like. And nobody has the courage to stand up to China. Not even to publicly denounce them. Isn't this what the UN is for? To impose economic sanctions on flagrant human rights abusers? (Please, no whataboutism replies, what…
Don't know why this is getting downvotes.
Unfortunately, international norms or UN sanctions don't have any teeth against world powers. It's just the unfortunate aspect of realpolitik that we all have to deal with.
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#5Every time I read about what China is doing to Uighurs, my heart sinks. Putting people in camps, monitoring their every move, coating it all with bureaucracy and lies. This is what genocide looks like. And nobody has the courage to stand up to China. Not even to publicly denounce them. Isn't this what the UN is for? To impose economic sanctions on flagrant human rights abusers? (Please, no whataboutism replies, what…
Why should someone stood up to China in the first place ? The UN is not a world government nor a international court, and Human Rights are a series of agreements between states. China is not compelled to agree to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#6These observations about increased security always fail to include information about past terrorist attacks and militant activity in the region. The reality of the situation is more nuanced than the depiction by western media.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China
In December 2016 in Xinjiang, Islamic militants drove a vehicle into a yard at the county Communist party offices and set off a bomb but were all shot dead. Three people were wounded and one other died.
In July 2011, At least 18 people died in a series of alleged terrorist attacks in the city of Kashgar. According to state-run media accounts, the violence began when two Uyghur men hijacked a truck, ran it into a crowded street, and started stabbing people, killing six. The attack ended when the assailants were overpowered by the crowd, which killed one attacker. On the second day, state media reported that a "group of armed terrorists" stormed a restaurant, killed the owner and a waiter, and set it ablaze. They then proceeded to indiscriminately kill four more civilians. Armed clashes then reportedly ensured, ending with police capturing or killing the attackers. The Turkistan Islamic Party later claimed responsibility for the attack. One of the suspects appeared in a TIP video training in Pakistan.
In March 2015 in Guangzhou, three ethnic Uyghur assailants with long knives attacked civilians at Guangzhou train station, 13 injured.
In November 2014 in Xinjian, militants with knives and explosives attacked civilians, 15 dead and 14 injured. 14 of the 15 deaths were attackers
In May 2014 in Ürümqi, Xinjiang, Two sport utility vehicles (SUVs) carrying five assailants were driven into a busy street market in Ürümqi. Up to a dozen explosives were thrown at shoppers from the windows of the SUVs. The SUVs crashed into shoppers then collided with each other and exploded. 43 people were killed, including 4 of the assailants, and more than 90 wounded.
There are many more.
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#7These observations about increased security always fail to include information about past terrorist attacks and militant activity in the region. The reality of the situation is more nuanced than the depiction by western media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China In December 2016 in Xinjiang, Islamic militants drove a vehicle into a yard at the county Communist party offices and set off a bomb but were al…
Believe it or not, it's possible to combat terrorism without criminalizing an entire ethnicity.
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#8The NY Times just did a heartbreaking two part podcast series on this that is worth a listen:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/07/podcasts/the-daily/china-...
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#9Every time I read about what China is doing to Uighurs, my heart sinks. Putting people in camps, monitoring their every move, coating it all with bureaucracy and lies. This is what genocide looks like. And nobody has the courage to stand up to China. Not even to publicly denounce them. Isn't this what the UN is for? To impose economic sanctions on flagrant human rights abusers? (Please, no whataboutism replies, what…
The UN is for avoiding wars. It has a secondary objective of providing mutual economical gains.
It has a much less preponderant mission of incentivizing the adoption of human rights and democracy, but none of the tools for that. Any effective structure with this goal would be opposed by most of its members (or maybe even nearly all). Strong countries can impose some human rights on weaker ones, and they do use the UN as a forum for that, but China is strong enough for nobody to mess with them.
Re: 'If you enter a camp, you never come out': inside China's war on Islam
#10These observations about increased security always fail to include information about past terrorist attacks and militant activity in the region. The reality of the situation is more nuanced than the depiction by western media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China In December 2016 in Xinjiang, Islamic militants drove a vehicle into a yard at the county Communist party offices and set off a bomb but were al…
Believe it or not, it's possible to combat terrorism without criminalizing an entire ethnicity.
Such as a proposed ban on Muslim immigrants? I agree with you. I'm not making a value judgement but merely stating relevant facts.