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CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by komali2 »

save_ferris wrote: post #12
yumraj wrote: post #2

So US media censors US content, containing bits about China censors, due to financial and other unknown reasons, but when it comes to US happenings, good and bad, they want and have complete freedom of press and speech. Oh, the irony.

Unfortunately, that's the cost of courting a massive market backed by an authoritarian regime. Personally, I don't agree with it, but Capitalism isn't inherently moral. China has such a massive trade presence globally that companies are willing to abandon domestic values to make them happy. The media certainly aren't the only party guilty of this (tech & military companies selling surveillance technology, etc.) It's…

>Don't hate the player, hate the game."

It's possible to be ethical in a capitalist system. I don't believe it's acceptable to give them a free pass because they chose the option that might be the most profitable (and that's arguable).

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

5trokerac3 wrote: post #3
yumraj wrote: post #2

So US media censors US content, containing bits about China censors, due to financial and other unknown reasons, but when it comes to US happenings, good and bad, they want and have complete freedom of press and speech. Oh, the irony.

It's even worse. The previous controversy this show caused was actual calls to violence, including a very overtly "coded" message to assassinate Trump. So, CBS will let that run, but will censor anything that offends the communist party of China. Edit: For everyone jumping on the downvote train: I don't think either should be censored, but what they do censor is very telling of their ethics.

May I ask if you've actually watched the show?

In context, this was a list of the words that are being monitored by the NSA. It stands to reason that the NSA would want to track people who discuss assassinating the president.

I don't understand why this is controversial.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by swebs »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #25
iandanforth wrote: post #5

Failure to walk away from the show over this has lost the writers any moral high ground they might have once held.

Do you seriously think they should've cancelled a series they've been working on for the past decade due to 120 seconds of content? Let me be the first to say I'm glad the writers didn't do that. If you watch the show, you'll quickly discover that the writers have been given an immense amount of creative freedom. The Good Fight makes a lot of strong political statements that I don't think would fly on many other plat…

>The Good Fight makes a lot of strong political statements that I don't think would fly on many other platforms.

Such as?

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by uberman »

Before damming CBS you might want to hear their motive. According to them the 90 second segment was removed because "such a sequence would endanger CBS executives on the ground in China". If that is the true motive, I personally give them a pass. If this is about preserving safety of employees and not about profit, can anyone condemn them?

This article written by a friend of one of the performers in the 90 second animated short that was cut out has what I think is the best coverage. It includes a good amount of detail including a play by play of the cut content:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/cbs-censors-t...

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by komali2 »

[deleted] wrote: post #39

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China imprisons and engages in psychological torture of a peaceful religious group. There is strong evidence it engages in systematic organ harvesting of these people.

China regularly threatens the sovereignty of Taiwan.

It is not at all above criticism and I really am surprised to find your comment suggesting so. Were you being ironic?

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by youarewrongstfu »

nickysielicki wrote: post #26

I feel like free speech has never been under such attack. Culturally, we don't care about it, we find offensive content more offensive than censorship of offensive content. Politically, they can censor you completely if they want to by hitting you with an NSL. EFF says that happens 60 times a day. The most hard hitting journalist in the west, Julian Assange, was just put in jail. I'm scared about the future. It's not…

Julian Assange is to journalism what Aaron Swartz was to civil disobedience.

Nothing.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by komali2 »

uberman wrote: post #44

Before damming CBS you might want to hear their motive. According to them the 90 second segment was removed because "such a sequence would endanger CBS executives on the ground in China" . If that is the true motive, I personally give them a pass. If this is about preserving safety of employees and not about profit, can anyone condemn them? This article written by a friend of one of the performers in the 90 second an…

If they're concerned about the safety of employees in China over the content they produce, perhaps they should not station employees in China.

Unfortunately it's such a big market it's apparent that companies are willing to forego ethics to do business with China, despite the numerous human rights violations.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by hedora »

lancesells wrote: post #35
hedora wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Add to that the fact that the NYT won’t let me read the story because my browser is in private mode, but regularly runs features about the Chinese surveillance state.

It won't let you read it because you're not signed in correct? I haven't had an issue with private browsing and reading the 5 or so free articles a month that they offer.

http://tinypic.com/r/2u5dgyv/9

Ironically, I had to turn off ad block to view it. Does anyone know of a better service like this?

[edit: the screenshot is for a different article, but I get the same spy-wall on the one linked above]

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by wavefunction »

nickysielicki wrote: post #26

I feel like free speech has never been under such attack. Culturally, we don't care about it, we find offensive content more offensive than censorship of offensive content. Politically, they can censor you completely if they want to by hitting you with an NSL. EFF says that happens 60 times a day. The most hard hitting journalist in the west, Julian Assange, was just put in jail. I'm scared about the future. It's not…

I disagree with the notion that Julian Assange is a journalist. I don't find the way he goes about his activities to be commendable. I contrast his/Wikileak disclosures with the way the Snowden materials were disseminated and reported on as the the boundaries of proper and improper journalism of these subjects.

Re: CBS censors a ‘Good Fight’ segment whose topic was Chinese censorship

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Post by AFascistWorld »

uberman wrote: post #44

Before damming CBS you might want to hear their motive. According to them the 90 second segment was removed because "such a sequence would endanger CBS executives on the ground in China" . If that is the true motive, I personally give them a pass. If this is about preserving safety of employees and not about profit, can anyone condemn them? This article written by a friend of one of the performers in the 90 second an…

The NYT doesn't seem fazed by that just saying.
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