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Complex UI.
If you got a system with complex UI, like Photoshop, Maya or Logic, you want it to look the same on all platforms. Sure, it won't adhere 100% to the platforms idiosyncracies, but re-designing it forever platform isn't an option. It's too expensive and people already poured time into learning the UI and just want it to work the same when they changed platforms.
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Gluon, PTC and Aicas also license JavaFX. Qt licensing costs are quite standard to market prices of similar products. Also if one doesn't want to pay for Qt, it is free to do themselves the same they want to do with upstream developers.
Your last sentence is a bit hard to comprehend but not paying for Qt and shipping a commercial embedded product is pretty difficult due to the anti-tivoization clauses of GPL3. I agree with parent poster that flutter is very interesting for Embedded GUI development.
It's really easy to ship commercial Qt app with LGPL3 (except few modules that are GPL3) You just provide sources or linkable object files.
Qt intentionally avoids explaining how to do this because they are selling commercial licenses. If you are in software business and can't figure this out, maybe you should consult someone.
(disclosure: I own commercial Qt license and stock in the company)
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I don’t understand the obsession with small binaries and compiled packages. I care about usability and user experience. If it takes 5mb to have a smooth experience then I’m all for it. It’s funny how we now have fiber having 1GB/s internet speeds and we rant about having 1MB size package being too big. Also, everyone’s moving to 4k now with even bigger transfer/data requirements. tldr; 1mb should be a non issue as lo…
Can someone from the Google team comment on what's going on - https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/07/kotlin-is-now-googles-pref... > Android development will become increasingly Kotlin-first,” Google writes in today’s announcement https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/07/google-launches-jetpack-co... > Google today announced the first preview of Jetpack Compose, a new open-source UI toolkit for Kotlin developers who want to use…
Internal politic wars at Google, with management having popcorns to see who wins at the end. If you are confortable with Qt, JavaFX, Xamarin, there is hardly anything to see with Flutter, plus they are based on programming languages that you actually want to have on your CV, instead of one that was dropped from Chrome and rescued at last minute by AdWords team. Plus, even Fuchsia is not so focused on Flutter anylonge…
I highly doubt that. See here https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/topaz/+/bd4464d6b8d586d74b6...
This is the example flutter app for the web - https://www.nytimes.com/games/prototype/kenken#/ This is flash. You can't do anything in it that fills like the web - no copy paste, right clicking causes things to happen. I don't expect games like this to have links and proper bookmarkable urls, but I doubt it'll work as expected if it did. This is the epitome of the problem with flutter - it re-implements the UI, creat…
People wanted and want to build rich web-based APPLICATIONS - not just websites with columns of text. That's why Flash became huge, and that's why HTML now has Canvas, Video, WebGL, WebAssembly, WebRTC (all of which were available in Flash - sometimes years before they were available in HTML).
The specific example you showed, nyTimes puzzle game, you'd never build that on-top of DOM (you could, but why would you?). You'd use JS to draw your UI with the Canvas 2D APIs. So I don't know what you're talking about.
>There's a reason why flash died out, and it's not only apple. It was dropped for making interactive website long before apple killed it - it doesn't work well with the web
NO!!! That's not why Flash died out. Flash died out because you had a standards-based alternative. Steve Jobs probably accelerated the transition a little bit, but it was inevitable.
This is the example flutter app for the web - https://www.nytimes.com/games/prototype/kenken#/ This is flash. You can't do anything in it that fills like the web - no copy paste, right clicking causes things to happen. I don't expect games like this to have links and proper bookmarkable urls, but I doubt it'll work as expected if it did. This is the epitome of the problem with flutter - it re-implements the UI, creat…
You're bemoaning that the lack of use of DOM to render the UI???? Seriously? That ship has sailed when Canvas was introduced in the mid-2000s and it was introduced for the EXACT reason to provide the same kind of capabilities that people had with Flash. People wanted and want to build rich web-based APPLICATIONS - not just websites with columns of text. That's why Flash became huge, and that's why HTML now has Canvas…
Can someone from the Google team comment on what's going on - https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/07/kotlin-is-now-googles-pref... > Android development will become increasingly Kotlin-first,” Google writes in today’s announcement https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/07/google-launches-jetpack-co... > Google today announced the first preview of Jetpack Compose, a new open-source UI toolkit for Kotlin developers who want to use…
Internal politic wars at Google, with management having popcorns to see who wins at the end. If you are confortable with Qt, JavaFX, Xamarin, there is hardly anything to see with Flutter, plus they are based on programming languages that you actually want to have on your CV, instead of one that was dropped from Chrome and rescued at last minute by AdWords team. Plus, even Fuchsia is not so focused on Flutter anylonge…
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You're bemoaning that the lack of use of DOM to render the UI???? Seriously? That ship has sailed when Canvas was introduced in the mid-2000s and it was introduced for the EXACT reason to provide the same kind of capabilities that people had with Flash. People wanted and want to build rich web-based APPLICATIONS - not just websites with columns of text. That's why Flash became huge, and that's why HTML now has Canvas…
Flashed died out way before canvas. No one but design shops made their websites with it. It remained strong in games and ads and disappeared everywhere else. That is why apple could even survive not supporting it.
No. Canvas was introduced in 2004 but not really mainstreamed until a few years later. I would put the golden age of Flash as 2000-2008, with a slow decline after.
>It remained strong in games and ads and disappeared everywhere else.
You're just saying things, but you inadvertently hit on the point that I'm making, that is the decline of Flash coincided with HTML/JS being given capabilities to actually replace Flash. Had that never happened, you'd still have Flash because there would be things that people would want to do over the web, and no other way to do it.
This is the example flutter app for the web - https://www.nytimes.com/games/prototype/kenken#/ This is flash. You can't do anything in it that fills like the web - no copy paste, right clicking causes things to happen. I don't expect games like this to have links and proper bookmarkable urls, but I doubt it'll work as expected if it did. This is the epitome of the problem with flutter - it re-implements the UI, creat…
Also slow.