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Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by remus »

McDev wrote: post #330
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #313

EU law (because the EU seems to be the only one willing to make these big laws inconveniencing tech) - any IOT enabled product that has the IOT capabilities removed by closing of a service without a simple way for those capabilities to be re-enabled (simple being further clarified in law) can be returned for a full purchase refund up to 3 months after closing of the service.

I'm interested in reading more about this, could someone provide more information on this law?

It's not a law, bryan is suggesting it.

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Post by mcv »

mc32 wrote: post #66

I used to be a fan of Google. They were the good ones, the open ones. Ha! I’ve feel like they played the long sucker game. How times have changed. Even Android feels like a ruse. And Chrome. And maps. The last thing will be search. At some point it’ll be curated for my own good. To be fair, Everyone has to make a living, but be honest don’t take people for suckers of make them into suckers.

I agree. I used to be a fan. They were explicitly not evil, gave lots of open source stuff away for free, made lots of other free services.

Turns out they were just making us dependent on them, and now that they've got us, they do whatever they want. We need to make ourselves less dependent on Google. Move away from GMail, use Firefox, DuckDuckGo, OSM, federated social networks, etc. I don't have a good replacement for Android yet, as iOS is just another walled garden. Similarly, Facebook is no replacement for Google+. We need stuff to be opener, not dependent on another company. For email, you need to own your own domain, so you can easily move from one provider to another.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by andybak »

teej wrote: post #127
electrograv wrote: post #38

I see Google API/ecosystem fans often defending or dismissing Google’s pattern of behavior here, using arguments like this: “Well, sure, they shut down that API I don’t use — big deal; all things come to an end eventually! But, they’d NEVER do that to this API I rely on — that would be so horrible, Google just would not do it!” I hope we all can acknowledge that this argument is on perpetually eroding ground, at the…

Maybe I spend too much time on HN, but I’ve literally never seen someone take Google’s side in these situations.

My only beef is people posting "hurrrr. i wonder how long before they shut it down" on every single Google product announcement.

Not because it's not a valid criticism but because people seem to think they are the only person ever to make that damn joke.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by vincnetas »

jimktrains2 wrote: post #259
Andrex wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the very least, the fact that the upcoming Nest Hub Max supports Thread is a (small) step in the right direction.

What is thread? That's a very unsearchable term.

Protocol invented by google :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(network_protocol)

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by PrimeDirective »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #313

EU law (because the EU seems to be the only one willing to make these big laws inconveniencing tech) - any IOT enabled product that has the IOT capabilities removed by closing of a service without a simple way for those capabilities to be re-enabled (simple being further clarified in law) can be returned for a full purchase refund up to 3 months after closing of the service.

I tried finding information on this, but couldn't. Could you provide links?

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by mcv »

ImprovedSilence wrote: post #132
hyeonwho4 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like Google search is already curated. At home I cannot find academic articles which appeared in the search at work, because my girlfriend trained the home's recommendation engine on searches for cute cat pictures and domestic things. In DuckDuckGo, at least I know I will be able to find the same results for the same search terms no matter where I am.

Wow, I agree. Lately I've noticed search sometimes just pops in websites just because I visited it from a previous search, relevancy be damned! and it suuuuuucks.

I seem to be able to find a much more limited selection of content than I used to in the past. It used to be that even obscure search queries turned up something useful, but now you either get nothing or the same old big or commercial sites. There has to be tons of content out there that Google just can't seem to find anymore.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by jordanbeiber »

iainmerrick wrote: post #331
jordanbeiber wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d tend to agree. The difference is probably visibility. Microsoft have for the longest time been hiding in the cushy enterprise segment where customers pay you halt development and kill products. Closed-off products. Perhaps not even a resonable API. Definitely not public facing. I’m kidding about enterprise software, but it’s kind of true.

Windows is “hiding in the cushy enterprise segment”??

Well for sure, when it comes to developer exposure.

This point was about “enterprise” software in general and the fact that many a project has been abandoned and put down in this space without much fanfare.

Also, many big companies tend to pay a lot of money for software the never actually use, hence “cushy”.

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Post by glogla »

inlined wrote: post #153

Does any attorney want to speculate whether Google could be forced to accept returns on Nest devices now that they’re materially worse through intentional actions?

They could, but then they would delete your Gmail and permanently ban you from their services, probably.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

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Post by StudentStuff »

lrem wrote: post #306
wtvanhest wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't realize they killed chromecast audio. Pretty frustrating. I may not have committed so much to their echosystem in Dec.

They stopped selling it, once the stockpile run dry and the demand didn't warrant making another batch. Which was when I found a shop with them in stock and bought three. I believe they'll stay supported for a while. Disclaimer: I work at Google, but don't have insider knowledge on this.

When will Google stop updating Chromecast Audio? As we've seen with recent Chromebook mass-end of supporting, Google is happy to leave devices bought 18+ months ago in a vulnerable, insecure state even when it'd be easy to keep life support on (like delivering a secure browser to these perfectly fine laptops, or providing minimal security patches to embedded devices).

It seems like Google really can't handle long term support of anything that isn't wildly successful (200+ million users), and even for those things that hit said benchmark, long term support is bumpy, inconsistent and unpredictable.

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Post by conradfr »

mc32 wrote: post #66

I used to be a fan of Google. They were the good ones, the open ones. Ha! I’ve feel like they played the long sucker game. How times have changed. Even Android feels like a ruse. And Chrome. And maps. The last thing will be search. At some point it’ll be curated for my own good. To be fair, Everyone has to make a living, but be honest don’t take people for suckers of make them into suckers.

Search is increasingly worthless for certain terms. They are things I can't find anymore even with refining the search query.

Basically it's good for anything geo or related but everything else is getting worse.

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