Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

nest.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

331–340 of 600 posts

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

#331

Post by iainmerrick »

jordanbeiber wrote: post #286
panarky wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would love to see a comparison of products "killed by Google" to products "killed by Microsoft" or even "killed by General Electric". I'd bet a week's paycheck that Google's list would be the shorter one.

I’d tend to agree. The difference is probably visibility. Microsoft have for the longest time been hiding in the cushy enterprise segment where customers pay you halt development and kill products. Closed-off products. Perhaps not even a resonable API. Definitely not public facing. I’m kidding about enterprise software, but it’s kind of true.

Windows is “hiding in the cushy enterprise segment”??

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

#332

Post by Insanity »

wtvanhest wrote: post #289
DivisionSol wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been considering pasting this: https://killedbygoogle.com/ every time the argument comes up. Maybe Google proponents will make one for other companies notorious for killing services, but at least for now, the Google Graveyard grows.

I didn't realize they killed chromecast audio. Pretty frustrating. I may not have committed so much to their echosystem in Dec.

The chromecast audio was a pretty cool device! Kind of a shame that they killed it off. I'm kind of being wary of google in general, they have a tendency to kill things I like :P

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

#333

Post by MrGilbert »

lettergram wrote: post #235
DivisionSol wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been considering pasting this: https://killedbygoogle.com/ every time the argument comes up. Maybe Google proponents will make one for other companies notorious for killing services, but at least for now, the Google Graveyard grows.

Huh didn’t realize YouTube annotations was killed off. Gotta say, most annoying thing to me was discontinuing support for the Nexus 6p after only 2 years. Made me switch to iPhone for ever.

Most annoying part is that they also disabled the annotations for old videos. So, watching an old video where it says "click here or there for this and that", without linking it in the description gets kind of annoying.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

#334

Post by alxlaz »

bonzini wrote: post #277
lettergram wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh didn’t realize YouTube annotations was killed off. Gotta say, most annoying thing to me was discontinuing support for the Nexus 6p after only 2 years. Made me switch to iPhone for ever.

YouTube annotations unfortunately were misused for spamming purposes. It is one of the few cases where you can say good riddance.

E-mail is also often misused for spamming purposes, and Gmail -- which is easy to sign up for and trusted by mail servers worldwide -- is often used for scams. Should we expect it to be terminated as well?

Any solution that allows you to write stuff on the Interwebs can be misused for spam. The solution that every company is expected to come up with, of course, is a good anti-spam mechanism.

Youtube annotations were a solution offered for free. It probably didn't make any sense for Google to implement a good (and expensive) anti-spam mechanism for it. But let's call it for what it is -- a cost-cutting measure made at the expense of users, most of whom are non-paying. There's no point in bringing up technical matters, there aren't any.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

#335

Post by rswail »

joejerryronnie wrote: post #161

And this is why Google will never be able to sell to the enterprise.

This is why Google will not be able to sell things not backed by an SLA and a contract to the enterprise.

Guess what, GSuite and GC are covered by SLAs/contracts.

But yes, this is a stupid move by Google, trying to lock out other controllers/apps. I have been looking at home automation and I want: a) open APIs b) security c) functionality

Most offers/products don't even do c) very well.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

#337

Post by 0x54D5 »

lettergram wrote: post #235
DivisionSol wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been considering pasting this: https://killedbygoogle.com/ every time the argument comes up. Maybe Google proponents will make one for other companies notorious for killing services, but at least for now, the Google Graveyard grows.

Huh didn’t realize YouTube annotations was killed off. Gotta say, most annoying thing to me was discontinuing support for the Nexus 6p after only 2 years. Made me switch to iPhone for ever.

The Nexus 6P has an excellent custom ROM maintained by the community based on Android 9. https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/development/rom-pi...

It's an almost stock experience and my Nexus 6P is still going strong after a battery replacement.

iOS is a non-starter for me. I refuse to buy any device that does not allow me to install whatever I want or run any code I want without paying for said privilege.

Recent developments lead me to believe that both iOS and Android are actively harmful to our future. I hope that open source operating systems for phones become robust enough in the next 20 years so that we can look back at this time as the dark ages of mobile computing.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

#338

Post by ttctciyf »

electrograv wrote: post #38

I see Google API/ecosystem fans often defending or dismissing Google’s pattern of behavior here, using arguments like this: “Well, sure, they shut down that API I don’t use — big deal; all things come to an end eventually! But, they’d NEVER do that to this API I rely on — that would be so horrible, Google just would not do it!” I hope we all can acknowledge that this argument is on perpetually eroding ground, at the…

Think of it like this: the API is a football, Google is Lucy, and the developers are Charlie Brown.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

#339

Post by jankiehodgpodge »

artursapek wrote: post #110
DivisionSol wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been considering pasting this: https://killedbygoogle.com/ every time the argument comes up. Maybe Google proponents will make one for other companies notorious for killing services, but at least for now, the Google Graveyard grows.

What a ridiculous website. Yes, the company that possibly writes more software than any other in the world has a lot of deprecated/dead software projects. Who would have thought? This would be more effective at making its point if it highlighted projects whose deprecation was particularly ungraceful/disruptive/careless, and explain how.

When compared to other online services companies Google closes down a huge amount of products that still have a large user base or viable alternatives. You only need to look at how many messenging apps they've come up with over the years to see that there is something wrong with the way they manage their products.

I'm a big user of Play music but can see the signs a mile off that it's being pushed into closing because of YouTube music, a service is straight up worse so I'll have to look around for alternatives.

Re: Google Is Turning Off the Works-with-Nest API

#340

Post by [deleted] »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #313

EU law (because the EU seems to be the only one willing to make these big laws inconveniencing tech) - any IOT enabled product that has the IOT capabilities removed by closing of a service without a simple way for those capabilities to be re-enabled (simple being further clarified in law) can be returned for a full purchase refund up to 3 months after closing of the service.

[deleted]
Post reply on HN