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Sundar Pichai: Privacy Should Not Be a Luxury Good

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Re: Sundar Pichai: Privacy Should Not Be a Luxury Good

#31
Says ceo of a company who’s business model is predicated in tracking people.

Much like facebook’s idea of privacy, they are conflating your actual privacy with themselves not selling your raw data. Eg. Just because they track you, and have access to all your data, doesn’t mean they’re violating your privacy - the line only occurs if they sell that information directly.

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#32

If use Google while not logged in, sometimes you see the “Privacy Checkup Time” alert. Feels like a trick: Login, give us your info, and then privacy checkup. Just thought it’s funny. Either way, can’t complain the for the efforts being done

If you have a Google account, it might not be such a bad idea to check on it occasionally and make sure there's nothing turned on that you want to be turned off or deleted? (In particular, connections to other apps that you might have forgotten about.)

And then log out.

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post #14

This is pretty much the same tactic finance companies are using to stem the growing political fallout. First get in front of it by acknowledging the problem, then explain how you're not part of the problem, and most importantly, outsource the solution to "legislation".

Don't we want companies to outsource the solution to legislation? I'd rather have Congress than Google be in charge of deciding how much privacy everyone deserves.

You want congress to decide how much privacy you deserve? Yikes...

Re: Sundar Pichai: Privacy Should Not Be a Luxury Good

#34
I'm not sure why everyone here is so concerned about the fact Google collects data, but doesn't actually sell it? Google might connect ads and your data anonymously, or use algorithms applied to your data for their services, but they've never been shown to actually give your data to anyone, nor to abuse it in any way.

Compare this to how lazy other companies have been with data breaches (Apple, Sony, Equifax, a ton of others), or companies that will actually sell your data (phone providers, credit card providers, various discount cards, etc..), I don't see why Google is always targeted.

When I had a Hotmail account back in the day, it got hacked (and I've always had strong passwords). Gmail has never been hacked. Windows has ads and spyware throughout Windows 10, Google shows you ads when you search for something. Yet MS gets a pass these days, people forget about Apple's weak account security in the past not to mention apps abusing permissions, but Google is constantly demonised.

I don't get it. Of all the tech products I've had over the years, the Google ones have been the best, the most secure, the most useful. They collect more data, but as far as I've seen, they also protect it the most.

Re: Sundar Pichai: Privacy Should Not Be a Luxury Good

#35
Yes, it should be bottled made available as cheaply as possible branded in two different flavors Google Privacy In A Can™[0] and Google Privacy On The Go™[0]:

"So right away, let us cast aside the technological protocols, that are usually referred to as “the internet”, that of which was built upon that make accessing or publishing information public between two or more machines…

Because talking about such things would require most internet users to cast aside social constructs they willingly suspend on a daily basis upon engaging with such technology/services (without any care to understand for oneself, one might add) and then demand collectively in retrospect to have their cries pacified while continuing to use such services (of which, most for free).

Yup, let us look past all that and believe (because that’s all we can do for ourselves) that institutions/organizations/companies/governments, that all consist of our fellow human beings in all of our qualities and flaws, can provide for the individual that which he chooses not to do for himself, to a satisfactory level in which his desires are forever coddled and placated."

[0] We will give access to our preferred government bulk data buyers on the grounds of National Security.

Re: Sundar Pichai: Privacy Should Not Be a Luxury Good

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post #20

Yes it's lip service but this whole narrative about online/digital privacy was seize on by traditional media to bash tech companies while driving traffic to their properties. It also gives some academics and "experts" an outlet to promote their books. You have the right to choose not be watched while you're going to the bathroom but the whole online privacy "controversy" is a means by which foreign countries and othe…

Never listen to experts! They think they can advise us on what to do, just because they happen to have deep knowledge and relevant experience with the issues at hand. How arrogant of them!

Re: Sundar Pichai: Privacy Should Not Be a Luxury Good

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post #34

I'm not sure why everyone here is so concerned about the fact Google collects data, but doesn't actually sell it? Google might connect ads and your data anonymously, or use algorithms applied to your data for their services, but they've never been shown to actually give your data to anyone, nor to abuse it in any way. Compare this to how lazy other companies have been with data breaches (Apple, Sony, Equifax, a ton o…

I was in the same boat as you. Loved Android, didn't mind sharing all my data with Google. Worked with startup colleagues on google cloud.

And then came Google ban bots. 24 hours ago they deleted one of my friend's account because of a keyword picked up in his reviews on app store (Apparently the bot thought he was being compensated for reviews which goes against their TOS), some of gsuite users had all accounts frozen and everything deleted because one of their dev had multi-login.

Some were suspended for credit card denials in their billing (falls under financial fraud). Then "Youtube heroes" where people could flag each others videos.

I really wanted to try out their new ML products but the console is insisting on me adding my credit card and I am so paranoid about getting my account blocked/deleted by Google if for any reason the credit card charge is rejected.

I give two shits on a popsicle about NSA snooping on me. I am more worried about google taking away chrome,search, gmail, android.. how did even get here where google controls essentially the whole of internet.

Re: Sundar Pichai: Privacy Should Not Be a Luxury Good

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironic that you should bring Equifax up since they would literally sell everything they had on you to anyone who could pay until Congress stomped on them with the FCRA. If you thought they were ever a good steward of your data you weren't paying attention.

Equifax is in the business of selling data. I will grant you that's a good point. I suppose the issue now boils down to whether 20 years is a long time or not. I don't think it is, but I don't see a conclusive way to argue either side of that. I'm not sure how to continue at this point :)

I guess all I can do is say that 20 years of good behavior is enough to convince the state to release you for first degree murder, and most people seem to feel ok about that. I'd suggest that most people probably don't know their spouses or best friends for 20 years before trusting them, either. And you could declare bankruptcy twice in that time and still have pretty good credit. So as a society we seem to have accepted that 20 years is actually a pretty long track record. Not sure why our standards for infosec should be higher than any of those things.

Re: Sundar Pichai: Privacy Should Not Be a Luxury Good

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post #20

Yes it's lip service but this whole narrative about online/digital privacy was seize on by traditional media to bash tech companies while driving traffic to their properties. It also gives some academics and "experts" an outlet to promote their books. You have the right to choose not be watched while you're going to the bathroom but the whole online privacy "controversy" is a means by which foreign countries and othe…

Never listen to experts! They think they can advise us on what to do, just because they happen to have deep knowledge and relevant experience with the issues at hand. How arrogant of them!

There is a difference between actual experts and academic title profiteers.
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