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Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by WAHa_06x36 »

busymom0 wrote: post #27
madeofpalk wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If everyone jumped on the bandwagon and started using the extension as a generic comment section, then the bright light of day would cleanse it Browser extensions aside, if we've learn anything over the past two years of 'Online', it's that this simply isn't true. You can't 'debate' hate speech away.

> You can't 'debate' hate speech away. Not sure what your definition of "hate speech" is but if it includes racism, then yes, racists can change their mind: https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/oct/08/the-white-sou...

Yes, through long-term building of trust and deep personal relationships.

This is very, very different from an internet comments section, where it is basically impossible.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by popzq »

WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #24
tumetab1 wrote: post #16

Funny how even this article, which kind supports gab, always associates them with terrorism (violence for political goals) while in both cases mentioned the perpetrators used other social media networks more and with more impact. When you get bad reputation, truth doesn't matter. Everyone "knows" they are trash so... vaguely say it's against ToS. Right now they should pull a corporate spin, rebrand and move on. Commu…

These are from https://gab.com/popular right now: https://gab.com/brannon1776/posts/cDQ4dUJNKzIycHRib3ZKSU9lbT... https://gab.com/TheSeven/posts/NUZFZXQrTk9qS0tJVlo5SHZsYnFEZ... https://gab.com/Doomer90/posts/MERObDkzVHlKK2dISDg0OFE2Um9rU... https://gab.com/IKNOWTHETRUTH1488/posts/Q1VhM3h1REJNa05udE93... Is this really what you are wanting to defend? Is this just a "bad reputation" where "truth doesn't matter"?

I don't know what you expect from a website where people go when they get banned from everywhere else.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by WAHa_06x36 »

busymom0 wrote: post #29
WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are from https://gab.com/popular right now: https://gab.com/brannon1776/posts/cDQ4dUJNKzIycHRib3ZKSU9lbT... https://gab.com/TheSeven/posts/NUZFZXQrTk9qS0tJVlo5SHZsYnFEZ... https://gab.com/Doomer90/posts/MERObDkzVHlKK2dISDg0OFE2Um9rU... https://gab.com/IKNOWTHETRUTH1488/posts/Q1VhM3h1REJNa05udE93... Is this really what you are wanting to defend? Is this just a "bad reputation" where "truth doesn't matter"?

If you go out looking for it, you will find a LOT more of that stuff on Twitter, Facebook, Patreon (Search for it) and Reddit. Gab is a free speech platform - similar to how phone carriers aren't held liable for what people speak on it, same way for Gab. It's not Gab's responsibility if the users are talking garbage.

I didn't go looking for it. I literally went to the page of the most popular posts, and scrolled down a couple of times.

It absolutely, 100% is Gab's responsibility for not policing their platform. In fact, they invite this kind of behaviour. This is exactly what they want on their site.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by WAHa_06x36 »

popzq wrote: post #32
WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are from https://gab.com/popular right now: https://gab.com/brannon1776/posts/cDQ4dUJNKzIycHRib3ZKSU9lbT... https://gab.com/TheSeven/posts/NUZFZXQrTk9qS0tJVlo5SHZsYnFEZ... https://gab.com/Doomer90/posts/MERObDkzVHlKK2dISDg0OFE2Um9rU... https://gab.com/IKNOWTHETRUTH1488/posts/Q1VhM3h1REJNa05udE93... Is this really what you are wanting to defend? Is this just a "bad reputation" where "truth doesn't matter"?

I don't know what you expect from a website where people go when they get banned from everywhere else.

I expect people to maybe not make such a huge effort to protect and defend this utter garbage.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by xfitm3 »

WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #24
tumetab1 wrote: post #16

Funny how even this article, which kind supports gab, always associates them with terrorism (violence for political goals) while in both cases mentioned the perpetrators used other social media networks more and with more impact. When you get bad reputation, truth doesn't matter. Everyone "knows" they are trash so... vaguely say it's against ToS. Right now they should pull a corporate spin, rebrand and move on. Commu…

These are from https://gab.com/popular right now: https://gab.com/brannon1776/posts/cDQ4dUJNKzIycHRib3ZKSU9lbT... https://gab.com/TheSeven/posts/NUZFZXQrTk9qS0tJVlo5SHZsYnFEZ... https://gab.com/Doomer90/posts/MERObDkzVHlKK2dISDg0OFE2Um9rU... https://gab.com/IKNOWTHETRUTH1488/posts/Q1VhM3h1REJNa05udE93... Is this really what you are wanting to defend? Is this just a "bad reputation" where "truth doesn't matter"?

Personally I don’t agree with any of that - but I’ll defend someone else’s right to be wrong.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by Veen »

busymom0 wrote: post #27
madeofpalk wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If everyone jumped on the bandwagon and started using the extension as a generic comment section, then the bright light of day would cleanse it Browser extensions aside, if we've learn anything over the past two years of 'Online', it's that this simply isn't true. You can't 'debate' hate speech away.

> You can't 'debate' hate speech away. Not sure what your definition of "hate speech" is but if it includes racism, then yes, racists can change their mind: https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/oct/08/the-white-sou...

"You can't argue people out of their beliefs" is an acceptable generalization because it's mostly true. There are exceptions, but, for the most part, when a progressive talks to a fascist, for example, there is likely to be little movement in the beliefs of either. In fact, their views are likely to become more entrenched.

https://phys.org/news/2015-05-political-myths-entrench.html

Long-term conversation can and does work, but not the sort of hit-and-run debates that happen on social networks and forums.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by Ygg2 »

WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #11
Ygg2 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes perfect sense. If you create tools to ban certain types of speech, say intolerance of homophobia, what happens when a homophobe acquires those tools? Because any tool will be eventually misused and abused.

What "tools" do you need to "create" to "ban certain types of speech"? What does that even mean? You don't need tools to kick nazis off your platform. And who cares what homophobes do on their platforms? Don't use them.

Laws and practices that help you exclude certain opinions.

Like for example in this case the Mozilla Acceptable Use Policy. Change a few words, add some statements, and it can be used against Antifa.

Homophobes were just an example, you can substitute with Nazis or others.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by kaolti »

WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #17
kaolti wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I rephrased this quite a few times, but I can't put this any other way: You are delusional.

Not even a little. If you actually have an argument, do make it.

Fair enough.

Do you not see the problem with a monopoly deciding what is and isn't okay to say?

You're comparing people who comment on websites to nazis? Did you not get the memo about the media calling everyone they don't like a nazi - including Pewdiepie?

Do you really think these companies have YOUR best interest at heart instead of just siding with the political views of their shareholders?

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