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Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

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Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

#431
This is awesome and I couldn't root for you folks more. This is such a great step towards saving the planet!

"What no one has been able to do so far is do it at a low enough cost to compete with fossil fuel." I wish we as a society could properly account for negative externalities in the price of fossil fuel.

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If we want to stay below 2 degrees C in warming, we don't have time to replace the existing vehicle fleet (approx. 1.2 billion cars, trucks, buses, etc) with electric vehicles. If we instead replace the fuel, this can be fast enough. Even if all vehicles are electric in the future, this is still the right thing to do now.

My issue is that this is a step in the wrong direction, it is incentivizing the current dirty status quo. Why would anyone replace their dirty engine if they can feel good about by using your 'cleaned' fuel. I agree we need to do something now, but this is just putting off the inevitable. Re-engineering dirty fuel sources doesn't buy us time to resolve this. It is procrastinating, shuffling titanic deckchairs. The ma…

We need carbon neutral fuel for shipping and aircraft, so that's one huge application. Especially if it's cleaner burning (no sulfur, aromatics etc.).

Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

#433

This is really cool! I hope that you can rise above the comments of the "this isn't good enough" or "zero carbon or bust" crowd. This type of innovation is what we need to move the needle in a realistic manner and that helps to build on the infrastructure that we already have in place. I'm excited to see what comes of this in the coming years!

I'm conflicted. This is clearly better than what we have but I was really hoping for a carbon negative future. I hope projects like this are a stepping stone and not a handbrake on progress.

Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

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The problem with e-fuels for jets is that a majority of the climate forcing comes from the high altitude water vapor in the exhaust, not actually the CO2. EDIT: I should point out here you COULD actually make an e-fuel without hydrogen and thus without water vapor as a combustion product. Carbon monoxide, for instance. The energy density is much lower, but it is sufficient. HOWEVER, there are obvious safety concerns…

CO2 seems much worse pollutant than water long term, because it stays in the air. Water at high altitudes condenses, reflects some radiation back to space and then falls back down.

At high altitude, the water stays up long enough and has such a huge impact that even its long term averaged impact is greater than the CO2.

Re: Launch HN: Prometheus (YC W19) – Remove CO2 from Air and Turn It into Gasoline

#435
The Navy would be highly interested in this, as they've had a project in the works for years (via NRL) to create jet fuel from seawater. They're basically 25% efficient right now, and the physical size of the device vs the output is quite prohibitive... But the advantage of making jet fuel on the carrier itself for the planes, by using onboard nuclear vs having to dispatch and maintain a fueling fleet is quite attractive even at this efficiency.

Short summary here: https://youtu.be/ikt1oOnoKGg

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#436

How sensitive is the systems to airborne sodium chloride if located near salty bodies of water? I would assume that colocation with nuclear power would be ideal and many nuclear plants are next to salty bodies of water. Being an energy auditor in my early career in the energy sector, I'm very interested in seeing such systems implemented to balance system loads during off peak times which will make Nuclear (safe and…

I am a proponent of nuclear, but wouldn't use of extra energy during off peak times apply to renewables even more so?

Unless there are massive improvements in efficiency and cost-effectiveness of storage, adapting usage to production of intermittent sources seems like it would maximize yield and minimize investment costs.

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Something like 55-60% of the thermal energy created by burning fossil fuels is currently wasted.

It’s kind of ironic that cars and power plants work hard on getting rid of that energy.

Modern power plants work hard at getting every last bit of that energy before it escapes. Current Combined Cycle plants, that generate steam from the exhaust of a gas turbine, are currently getting over 60% efficiency.
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