Live data from Hacker News

Yesterday I had this crazy idea: People pay me $15, I make them a web design

designfor15bucks.com

121–130 of 188 posts

Re: Yesterday I had this crazy idea: People pay me $15, I make them a web design

#121
Indeed, a crazy idea. Considering any decent design would take at least 3 hours of work, you'd be making $5/hour.

To make it worthwhile for you, you'd have to spend at most 1h per design, in which case it wouldn't be worth the $15 for the client, or a spot on your portfolio.

Re: Yesterday I had this crazy idea: People pay me $15, I make them a web design

#122
post #50

As psd file - so I would have to spend another few hundred $ to get a legal Photoshop to watch it?

Gimp will work

Sometimes. I actually posted it because I had exactly that problem in the past with an artist delivering me .psd's while I'm using The Gimp for everything.

Re: Yesterday I had this crazy idea: People pay me $15, I make them a web design

#123
post #117
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I think that street would be Google search results.

that's the obvious reply, but it fails for two reasons: 1) SERPs are not fixed; they vary from month to month, and even from day to day as new sites and pages appear and are added to the mix. This is akin to the houses on a street changing order frequently, and ruins the analogy 2) SERPs differ between terms - you and I might be adjacent for "cheap widgets" but for "budget widgets" the SERP might look entirely differ…

PPC advertising on said search pages fixes the analogy. As do link directories and, erm, front pages of link sharing sites such as HN (if submitted within the proper timeframe)

Re: Yesterday I had this crazy idea: People pay me $15, I make them a web design

#124
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that's the reason this entire site exists. (Portfolio building).

It's a visual product so you got to prime the pump with visual samples to entice the first customer.

Unless he's selling his skills for $15...which basically primes the pump itself. According to his website, he's already got more customers than he can handle for a week. Come back in a week and he'll probably have 5-10 items in that portfolio.

Re: Yesterday I had this crazy idea: People pay me $15, I make them a web design

#125
post #42
post #6

I need a logo for my website, do you also make logos for $15?

You can get a 'horrible' logo for five bucks: http://www.horriblelogos.com

those logos are better than what I can do.

Perhaps I should start a site called really horrible logos. I will guarantee all logos will look like a 2 year old on something did them.

Re: Yesterday I had this crazy idea: People pay me $15, I make them a web design

#126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know where this guy comes from. But, USD15/hour is a very high rate in many countries. Or, he is just trying to build up his portfolio and get his name out there. This seems like a very good approach to attract people attention.

Looks like he's in Brazil from his paypal page. Not sure about the cost of living there, but that's probably a decent wage for a lot of people there.

This is actually a decent wage in Brazil. When I lived there (15 years ago) minimum wage was equivalent to $100 a month.

Re: Yesterday I had this crazy idea: People pay me $15, I make them a web design

#127
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said, I closed down my google apps account a few months ago because things were missing or they arrived later compared to the regular gmail, so I don't know what you may be missing right now. Also, if you have an android phone you cannot buy apps if you sign in only with your apps account, you must use a regular account. That is a PITA, believe me.

You don't have to use your apps account only, you can still use your regular one for buying Android apps etc.

Here is the scenario: you have google apps account that you use for all your stuff and you sync it with your android device to access email, contacts and such. This is account A. Then you realize the market won't work, so you sync the regular google account, account B.

Now, you have the hassle of having to deal with multiple account on your phone, but is not too bad. It comes bad when you discover that if reset your phone and sign in only with account A or only with account B or even in the wrong order (B, A), all the apps you bought are simply gone.

Yes, the market sucks that much.

Re: Yesterday I had this crazy idea: People pay me $15, I make them a web design

#129
post #40

You allow me to put a screenshot of the design on this page; ($5 extra if you don't) You could reword that clause so your clients feel they're getting something valuable for their $5. Please note that I post all designs to my public portfolio and this website. If you need the design to stay secret, it only costs $5 more Or you could invert your pricing. So you start off as "designfor20bucks" and offer a $5 discount i…

Don't worry about all that, run with what you have now. Spend your time on real customers.

Re: Yesterday I had this crazy idea: People pay me $15, I make them a web design

#130
post #3

Assuming it takes you at least 1-2 hours per design (and even with mad photoshop skillz it's unlikely it'd be much shorter than that), you're probably better off getting an office job somewhere, or even maybe a burger-flipping job. Given all the additional expenses of running your own business, this is probably not a viable business model (i.e. you will lose money on the whole). The only way this would be justified i…

I'd rather do something I enjoy for slightly less money than get an office job or flip burgers.

You must have very cheap rent.

If you don't ask for money for what you do, then you are saying that what you do is worthless. You probably don't actually believe that, and the only reason to sell your work for less than the most basic labor is because you don't know how to get paid properly. But customers see your pricing and conclude that designers do not need to be paid even the normal minimum for other kinds of work.

If you keep working like this, you will find yourself unable to ever get a design job that pays well. Everyone who calls you will do so because you are cheap. When you go to visit clients who have money to spend, they will not want to hire you. Not because their is anything wrong with your design; but because they are not designers, and so they will try to estimate the quality of your work by the visibility of your financial success. If they notice nothing that suggests you can make money, then they will assume that you can't, and they will assume that the reason you can't is because your designs are no good, and hire someone else. Later, when you want to get married or have a family or just enjoy a better standard of living, but you can not afford to do so because you undervalued your work, you will realize that you designed yourself into poverty. It's true that some very rich/successful people dress or act like they don't care about money. This is because they have so much money that they don't have to care about what clients think. They have agents who take care of all that annoying business stuff for them. Agents only work for people whose work can be sold for high prices, because agents only get 15%, on average.

A lot of creative people fall into this trap, I have made this mistake on some occasions. It is a bad pattern, for you and also for your colleagues in the same profession. Also, it's insulting to people who work in offices or flip burgers. Maybe they would like to work at something creative, but when you price your work so low you are demonstrating that creativity is worthless, and that skill and hard work do not deserve a reward. Here's my advice: it's OK to do some work for free for your friends and family, but when you work for money your minimum should be 5 x the minimum for a 'boring' job. Some people will refuse to pay so much, and then you must refuse to work even if your bank account and your stomach are empty. Many will agree. You should use your price to drive bad clients away. Good clients will either pay or negotiate. If you do not make them work in negotiation, they will understand this to mean that you are not going to work on their commission, and hire someone else.

If you cannot make a living this way, then get a job flipping burgers. First you will learn some humility, second you will get free food every day, third you will have some more financial security and fourth you will be very tired when you go home every day. Now, do a few hours of design work every week too. Of course, it will be much more difficult now because you are exhausted by working in a hot kitchen before you draw a single line. Now you will start to understand the value of time, and charge accordingly.

Post reply on HN