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Up to one million species are on the verge of extinction, U.N. panel says

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What's the theory? So far you just stated a premise...

when someone on the internet says "theory", they usually mean it in the "everyday speak"-way, not in the "scientific definition of a theory"-way. But somehow I guess that you already know that?

regardless of what "definition" of theory I used, the post is still without conclusion. It started off somewhere and then never made a point.

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I have a theory, and I have no evidence to back this theory up. The increases in anxiety in the general public over the last decade or so is in large part to people knowing we're on an unsustainable path. We're all collectively marching towards the edge of the cliff to jump off together. More people than ever have anxiety because we subconsciously (or consciously) know this. We're unsustainable with how we pollute an…

I have a related theory, that rather than our rise in anxiety being because of an analytic understanding of doom, we are more anxious because the environment is becoming unfamiliar, and we as animals still are not comfortable with such a fundamental shift in the world around us.

Since we’re trading theories, I’ll jump in!

My theory is that we are destroying the environment because of our anxiety. It leads us to want to control things and accumulate safety in tangible, physical and dollar form. And the more we do that, the more we destroy the environment. And of course, that also leads to further anxiety as you’ve all pointed out.

So, therapy for everyone - heal people’s desperate fears and the world will heal itself.

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One thing that I fail to wrap my mind around: aren’t all those corporations executives, politicians, and poachers living on the same planet Earth as all of us? Don’t they ever think that they’re actually destroying our planet and there’s no other place to live? I can imagine that they don’t believe pro-climate change people, but they could simply hire an independent group of researchers, don’t they? And I mean actual…

About 30% of people seem wired as non-cooperators even when this is disadvantageous; they only ever transact competitively. That's a good trait to have for certain social niches; but to the extent that those social roles shape the environment for everyone else it's a problem.

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We keep hearing that individual actions don't matter and that we need a system change instead. I used to hold the same opinion for the very long time. However, since recently I started to turn around. For the last 30 years governments and politicians have proven incapable to do anything about global heating. What makes us think it will be any different in the coming years. Scientists keep producing report after repor…

It's easy to criticize you - one could simply argue that these will be measures taken only by a few, and therefore won't have an impact.

I still admire the fact that you are trying - who am I to dismiss it?

And yet, unfortunately I am more and more convinced that individuals won't change history. For a brief moment in my life (~2 years), I naively tried to do something to better the world, and of course didn't go anywhere.

It's sad.

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One thing that I fail to wrap my mind around: aren’t all those corporations executives, politicians, and poachers living on the same planet Earth as all of us? Don’t they ever think that they’re actually destroying our planet and there’s no other place to live? I can imagine that they don’t believe pro-climate change people, but they could simply hire an independent group of researchers, don’t they? And I mean actual…

Pointing with the finger on others is not going to help. We're destroying our planet together. Nearly everyone is involved, and most of the problems are hard to solve because they are 1. collective action problems whose right solution is not a Nash equilibrium, and 2. involve long term risks.

Humans are not bad at solving the first category, according to some theories social institutions evolve out of a need to solve these kind of problems, but we're very bad at the second category, as every smoker can attest you. Humanity has never displayed any ability to think and plan ahead fifty or hundred years, let alone longer periods.

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Two anecdotes: 1) There was an area of marshland close to where I live. A small part of it was drained for agriculture. Immediately after this, the insect population in the area went way down. You didn't have to measure it. We were swamped with insects, then there were virtually none. Habitat seems to be a big thing but I'm not sure how it compares with pesticides. 2) I saw a documentary once about a guy in India gro…

> there are not enough people of his calibre in agriculture. It's just not as sexy as tech or finance or law or whatever.

You might be surprised by how much is going on in Ag tech.

Re: Up to one million species are on the verge of extinction, U.N. panel says

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Serious question: what things/science/technology should you work on that can impact this and compound positively over time (outside of just changing your own personal habits, but not to say you shouldn’t do this as well)?

This has been mentioned on HN before and is a good place to start IMO - What can a technologist do about climate change? http://worrydream.com/ClimateChange/
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