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Up to one million species are on the verge of extinction, U.N. panel says

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That's kind of the point. Stop thinking about "most people". Do it for yourself. If you believe in the climate emergency that is. You might be pleasantly surprised to see your friends around you follow the suit.

I can’t even get my friends and coworkers to vote.

Realistically, voting is an absurd placebo at this point. I don't think opinions about voting, or votes as an expression of opinion work above values of 1,000 in human social systems.

If you think about it, this hypothesis holds conceptual water. Head counts in the thousands are the region of sample size where statistics begin to aggregate into commoditized data and spherical cows. Thus, perpetuating the premise of democracy past small town population sizes really only serves as a useful plane of misdirection for social control. No one can realistically be held accountable for democratic blunders that cross large geographies or involve huge voter turnouts. It's essentially fantasy to buy into the narrative.

All you need to do is watch 12 Angry Men to catch a glimpse of how and why voting, even with small numbers in extreme microcosms, is really unreliable.

And at larger scales, just statistics with manipulated noise. Statistics are simply representative of accidental distributions of facts, monte carlo style. It's certainly blameless, but not well reasoned agency.

I'm not saying this to be a cool, edgy pessimist. I'm thinking about everything I've seen happen with my own eyes, plus historical realities.

We've avoided world wars since the 1940's like a slug avoids salt. This is not because of governance and democracy, but rather institutional memory. As a meta-organism, we remember the lethal burn of it. It will probably come to the same climactic realization with the biosphere, before this amoeboid sprawl of people recoils in anguish at the experience of disfiguring injury.

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Will you enjoy your life transporting pollen with a paintbrush? https://www.chinadialogue.net/article/show/single/en/5193-De...

No, must it be paintbrush ? Is it crazy to think that human can't invent some kind of automation/technology to solve this ?

Humans don’t need to invent some kind of bee like automation technology. We need to invent a way to not kill all the fucking bees!

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I have a theory, and I have no evidence to back this theory up. The increases in anxiety in the general public over the last decade or so is in large part to people knowing we're on an unsustainable path. We're all collectively marching towards the edge of the cliff to jump off together. More people than ever have anxiety because we subconsciously (or consciously) know this. We're unsustainable with how we pollute an…

I also have a theory. Anxiety is increasing because anxiety sells. The right leaning sites raise anxiety about immigrants. Left leaning sites raise anxiety that Trump is on his way to becoming a dictator. Environmental sites raise anxiety about species going extinct. Business sites raise anxiety about increase regulation and taxes. Meanwhile, humans are the best off we have ever been. This is one of the most peaceful…

What you are saying is true.

However never before have we humans been on the cusp of ecological collapse.

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I have a theory, and I have no evidence to back this theory up. The increases in anxiety in the general public over the last decade or so is in large part to people knowing we're on an unsustainable path. We're all collectively marching towards the edge of the cliff to jump off together. More people than ever have anxiety because we subconsciously (or consciously) know this. We're unsustainable with how we pollute an…

Humans are good at being anxious due to the precariousness of life. Especially for things we don’t fully understand. For example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halley's_Comet#1910 Why is the environment any different?

> we don’t fully understand.

That's a language trap. It's true that we do not understand the environment fully, in the sense that we don't know how every single living creature on it will die.

But we understand it well enough: we can see the big trends.

We don't know exactly how times we will hit the cliff as we fall, but we can see clearly that we're falling.

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I have a theory, and I have no evidence to back this theory up. The increases in anxiety in the general public over the last decade or so is in large part to people knowing we're on an unsustainable path. We're all collectively marching towards the edge of the cliff to jump off together. More people than ever have anxiety because we subconsciously (or consciously) know this. We're unsustainable with how we pollute an…

I also have a theory. Anxiety is increasing because anxiety sells. The right leaning sites raise anxiety about immigrants. Left leaning sites raise anxiety that Trump is on his way to becoming a dictator. Environmental sites raise anxiety about species going extinct. Business sites raise anxiety about increase regulation and taxes. Meanwhile, humans are the best off we have ever been. This is one of the most peaceful…

I completely agree.

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I suspect that the reason is cost or just not good enough, but overtime it can be improve and price can go lower. So at least for me, I don't see reason to not just let bee extinct. Keep in mind that the cost to keep bee not extinct might be higher and higher.

>So at least for me, I don't see reason to not just let bee extinct. Then I really can see no reason for you not to be forced to spend your entire life pollinating plants by hand with a paintbrush. And this goes even if there are still enough bees. We will let them watch you work while giving them little cups of honey.

>Then I really can see no reason for you not to be forced to spend your entire life pollinating plants by hand with a paintbrush

Like I mentioned before, if human can find better way to pollinating plants (better than paintbrush nor bees) then yeah no reason to do any of these.

Keeping in mind that keeping bee alive will also incur cost and sacrifice.

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So bees are important, quick google search reveal the bee is important for pollination. So can't one of the solution be find alternative way for pollination. Maybe even robotic bees? With the advancement of robotic technology, its not far fetched to think that this is possible right ?

So invent a mechanical bee, or just keep the bee's alive that we already have. Which one sounds easier?

Thats the question, its seem that the difficulty and cost of keeping bee alive is higher and higher, compare to inventing mechanical bee or using alternative method.

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Hopefully this will make us ditch the planet and finally look towards the stars. But I fear it will actually lead us towards an "Interstellar" future: where our inter-planetary progress is hampered by this single planet that we want to save.

We're increasingly incapable of surviving on a planet that's perfectly suited to us. There's no chance we "look towards the stars" if we can't fix the ground.

If we hadn't looked to the stars in the first place, then we'd have a much worse idea of what is wrong with the ground than we currently do and technologies such as solar panels might not have entered commercial development. We are going to find this much more difficult to fix without a space industry.

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We keep hearing that individual actions don't matter and that we need a system change instead. I used to hold the same opinion for the very long time. However, since recently I started to turn around. For the last 30 years governments and politicians have proven incapable to do anything about global heating. What makes us think it will be any different in the coming years. Scientists keep producing report after repor…

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You can't migrate every person on the planet to another one. And we still haven't found any planets remotely as habitable as our own, nor solved the problems related to long-term space travel or terraforming. And above all else, why the hell would you be content with throwing away Earth, the most livable planet we know of? The idea of saving the human race by just going somewhere else is laughable.

>You can't migrate every person on the planet to another one. I completely agree, none of them are suitable. On the other hand, space habitats built from asteroids are a practical possibility. >"If the asteroids are ultimately used as the material resource for the building of new colonies, and if by constructing new colonies near asteroids relatively little reaction mass is wasted in transportation, the area of land…

We cannot damage the Earth enough for it to be a worse option than space habitats. We simply can't, even if we bomb all of the surface to oblivion, triple the amount of CO2 or even add more toxic gases.
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