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Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by tanilama » Sun, May 05, 2019, 6:33 AM UTC

colejohnson66 wrote: post #63

tanilama wrote: post #43

Is it that hard to admit that Apple products can no longer command a premium among its competitors? The company is now in a great trouble into irrelevancy because of years' inaction.

People have been spouting “Apple is going to fail” since their inception. People said the original iPhone was a fail for many reasons such as “no one wants a touchscreen” and more.[0] Until Apple fails, they’re not failing. They definitely changed directions under Tim Cook, but that’s because he’s not Steve Jobs. The Apple Watch has been a huge success with over 40% market share.[1] [0]: https://mashable.com/2017/06/…

History doesn't always have predictive power over future, as no one would predict Apple would have an epic comeback under Jobs. And Apple Watch is no replacement for iPhone, which has been Apple's lifeline over the past 5 years.

Apple is in trouble because it doesn't have next iPhone, or iPhone4 to excite consumers. Adding incremental upgrade to iPhone while hiking up the price, is now a failed strategy and the market is punishing Apple for it. Only this time, they have nothing to offer.

Pivoting to service, where they aren't particularly competitive anyway, is like a pre-claimed surrender that they don't have the confidence to make their hardware business as profitable as it was.

I didn't see why people would be optimistic about Apple right now, except for the huge cash reserve they had because of iPhones. If they don't think out of box, they will be forgotten pretty soon, just like Nokia.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by dijit » Sun, May 05, 2019, 7:53 AM UTC

bassman9000 wrote: post #77

dijit wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Android/iPhone in general send info to North America. Vilification of the other without pause to consider the status-quo is not an appeal to "whataboutism" it's just pointing out hypocrisy. I really wish I didn't have to care about NSA or huge US tech companies aggregating information. But I do. I cannot in good conscious condemn China for this if the alternatives are equivalent.

if the alternatives are equivalent. Is the info used equally in China? E.g. does the US have a social score system? Enough with the false equivalences.

I don’t understand how it’s false. Why do I care what score China gives me?

I could also argue that the US tech companies are fully capable (and likely doing) the same thing. Sure, it’s not government funded but remove the “US is good” lens and it’s quite scary.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by thetechlead » Sun, May 05, 2019, 12:27 PM UTC

rasz wrote: post #74

thetechlead wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not saying they don't spend big money in advertising. They certainly do, like any other premium brand. However their marketing campaigns alone are nothing extraordinary either. US governments accusation certainly helped - good advertising makes people intrigued, just look at the nationalist comments under Huawei related HN posts and try to read from a non-US POV. Not hard to come to a state that you wonder what the h…

>However their marketing campaigns alone are nothing extraordinary either. During last holidays almost every single commercial break in Polish TV had Huawei ad.

Thank for the info. Though not the case where I live (China) and where I often travelled (east Asia and ASEAN countries). However Huawei indeed put their best effort in marketing in Europe.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by craftoman » Sun, May 05, 2019, 3:11 PM UTC

Ex Samsung Galaxy S8 owner here. Dropped it 4-5 times and the screen went off. I bought a Xiaomi Mi5, dropped it like 100 times and it still working without a problem except for the battery. It started to drain quickly after the 2th year of use which is normal and after all it costs 10 dollars for a brand new.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by dorchadas » Sun, May 05, 2019, 3:29 PM UTC

josteink wrote: post #45

znpy wrote: post #4

That's probably because smartphones are way too expensive. Huawei and Xiaomi sold a lot of phones because their phone are good enough not to make people miss iphones and stuff yet cost only a fraction. Personally, I got a brand new Xiaomi phone for 200 euros off Amazon with a 4-core cpu, 5.5 inches display, 64 gb storage and 4 gb ram. So far it served me good and has done everything I've needed. I got an iPhone 6 fro…

> That's probably because smartphones are way too expensive. I used to buy new phones every generation when they were $3-400. And back then that money would land you a noticeably better phone , usually with some new capabilities. These days “good” phones are $1000+ and each generation only gets you better specs . Fuck that. I’m keeping my working phone. Peak smartphone was probably 3-5 years ago. Since then there’s b…

I wouldn't say nothing new. It looks like a lot more are starting to add dual SIM to their phones (Apple can do it with eSIM, Samsung has been doing it since at least the S7)...But, I can also get a dual SIM Huawei for $400 less, that has roughly comparable specs for what I want.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by znpy » Sun, May 05, 2019, 4:25 PM UTC

code_duck wrote: post #12

znpy wrote: post #4

That's probably because smartphones are way too expensive. Huawei and Xiaomi sold a lot of phones because their phone are good enough not to make people miss iphones and stuff yet cost only a fraction. Personally, I got a brand new Xiaomi phone for 200 euros off Amazon with a 4-core cpu, 5.5 inches display, 64 gb storage and 4 gb ram. So far it served me good and has done everything I've needed. I got an iPhone 6 fro…

I purchased a new iPhone 6 for under $200 cash about two years ago. You can get them a little cheaper now.

yes but what's the point ?

you get no warranty and the battery is already mostly consumed. my work's iphone 6 battery has already started underperforming after a few months, I guess it's not going to see the end of 2019.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by scarface74 » Sun, May 05, 2019, 7:23 PM UTC

znpy wrote: post #86

code_duck wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I purchased a new iPhone 6 for under $200 cash about two years ago. You can get them a little cheaper now.

yes but what's the point ? you get no warranty and the battery is already mostly consumed. my work's iphone 6 battery has already started underperforming after a few months, I guess it's not going to see the end of 2019.

I wouldn’t buy a 6, but you can buy A refurbished iPhone 6s from Amazon for $169 with a 90 day warranty and there is a battery indicator to tell you how good the battery is in settings.

The 6s is still getting updates and probably will for at least one more release if not to.

A battery replacement for your 6 - which may be over four years old at this point - is $79.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by scarface74 » Sun, May 05, 2019, 7:28 PM UTC

tanilama wrote: post #81

colejohnson66 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have been spouting “Apple is going to fail” since their inception. People said the original iPhone was a fail for many reasons such as “no one wants a touchscreen” and more.[0] Until Apple fails, they’re not failing. They definitely changed directions under Tim Cook, but that’s because he’s not Steve Jobs. The Apple Watch has been a huge success with over 40% market share.[1] [0]: https://mashable.com/2017/06/…

History doesn't always have predictive power over future, as no one would predict Apple would have an epic comeback under Jobs. And Apple Watch is no replacement for iPhone, which has been Apple's lifeline over the past 5 years. Apple is in trouble because it doesn't have next iPhone, or iPhone4 to excite consumers. Adding incremental upgrade to iPhone while hiking up the price, is now a failed strategy and the marke…

Pivoting to service, where they aren't particularly competitive anyway, is like a pre-claimed surrender that they don't have the confidence to make their hardware business as profitable as it was

Would you have said the same about Netflix moving from shipping DVDs to streaming or Amazon moving into the cloud vendor from retai?

There is no next big thing on the horizon that is going to have a market where almost 70% penetration like the mobile phone except maybe social media.

But if you look at Apple’s latest earnings, services is already growing like crazy.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by xbmcuser » Mon, May 06, 2019, 3:06 AM UTC

bassman9000 wrote: post #77

dijit wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Android/iPhone in general send info to North America. Vilification of the other without pause to consider the status-quo is not an appeal to "whataboutism" it's just pointing out hypocrisy. I really wish I didn't have to care about NSA or huge US tech companies aggregating information. But I do. I cannot in good conscious condemn China for this if the alternatives are equivalent.

if the alternatives are equivalent. Is the info used equally in China? E.g. does the US have a social score system? Enough with the false equivalences.

It does what is the no fly list in the us exactly. Many people have got a low score of having a Muslim name or of being an aquantaince with suspected criminal to be put on the no fly list. Or having criticised some us agency all this get you a low score and stop you from flying. This system just doesn't have scores but it is the same damn thing.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by code_duck » Mon, May 06, 2019, 9:45 AM UTC

znpy wrote: post #86

code_duck wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I purchased a new iPhone 6 for under $200 cash about two years ago. You can get them a little cheaper now.

yes but what's the point ? you get no warranty and the battery is already mostly consumed. my work's iphone 6 battery has already started underperforming after a few months, I guess it's not going to see the end of 2019.

Why would the battery be consumed in a new phone in the box? Or why would Apple not give you a normal warranty?

I don’t have any issues with battery life and I’ve had this phone about 2 years now. The Battery Health in settings shows a max capacity of 87%.

I’m not concerned about a warranty on a $200 phone - at this point I could throw it out the window at a rock and get a new phone. That’s one reason I have a cheap older iPhone. I don’t worry about losing or damaging it.