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Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

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Post by cozzyd »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #44
yebyen wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

70% of the spam calls I get could be stopped simply by blocking the exact same exchange that my number is in. Do spam callers really think I'm expecting a call from the same area code, same exchange as my own number? Do most people have friends that have phone numbers with the same first six digits in common with their own? I feel like this trick can't possibly work on anyone who has already seen it twice, and just b…

Yep. This works for me, I have a 310 area code and live in 425, so almost anything 425 and 206 is legit, anything 310 is probably not.

Yeah having a 775 in 312/773 is great for this reason (except sometimes people assume I mean 773).

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

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Post by busymom0 »

warp wrote: post #11
busymom0 wrote: post #2

Scammers are getting more and more sophisticated now a days. It seems like most of these scam calls are a result of the ability to spoof phone numbers. Spoofing phone numbers does have legitimate purposes (for example a phone number from a customer service company is able to use their company phone number as the caller ID) but these scammers seem to abuse this. It's quite similar to how SMTP for emails allows the "Fr…

This is apparently being implemented as we speak ( SHAKEN/STIR, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHAKEN/STIR ). (which seems a US focused initiative, which I guess makes sense as the problem seems much worse there than in other countries... but I wonder if that means that you guys will be getting lots of robocalls from unknown foreign numbers in the future ;)

I am located in Canada and I received about 15 - 20 spam phone calls each week. Most of them would even spoof the phone number to my area code (sometimes my own phone number lol). So I don't think it's a US only problem.

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

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Post by aloisdg »

eastWestMath wrote: post #28
Brajeshwar wrote: post #26

I started with an experiment about a year back and now I've practically stopped answering phone calls. My phone responses are now async. Just like an email, I look up the missed calls list once a while and call back if I know someone or was expecting a call from a particular number. The phone is kept silent at all times and is on DND mode from the first minute of the day to the last. The only call that passes through…

But if someone else had the same system you’d end up in an infinite loop...

Use sms

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

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Post by URSpider94 »

godelski wrote: post #34
shereadsthenews wrote: post #5

I can’t imagine why anyone ever answers the phone. I get at least ten robocalls every weekday. I don’t ever look at my voicemail and I haven’t answered a call in ages. Edit: I know I’m not alone because CNN just released a poll with no responses from people under the age of fifty, because they couldn’t reach enough of them by phone.

Slightly off topic (of the OP, not parent comment) Are you referring to this? [0] I was googling because I was interested. Looking at this the data seems fishy. Under total respondents they have answers for the age group, but not under any of the democratic/democratic leaning responses. So it looks like they only interviewed republicans under 50 and both groups 50+. There's some more fishy patterns like that with rep…

No. Read the methodology statement carefully. They have 1000 respondents to the entire poll. When they refer to the data by a stratified group, they only present it if the number of people in that group is 125 or greater.

For the poll questions that specifically say. “For voters registered as Democrats or democrat-leaning independents”, the response Pool is cut down to something like 450 (the exact number is listed in the description). If they then divide that into four age groups, then it would actually be reasonable for NONE of them to exceed 125 respondents.

If you look at other breakdowns in the survey, it is clear that all of the age groups and demographics are covered.

Also note that polls results are almost always corrected after the fact for sampling error - so if they get a low response rate from 20-30 year olds, then they weight those responses more heavily so that they represent the expected proportion of the overall population.

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

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Post by bradleyjg »

URSpider94 wrote: post #69
spectramax wrote: post #8

I feel like if FCC/Telephone providers don't fix this soon, traditional cell phones will become unreliable and we will need to adopt a new system or just use existing framework (facetime, whatsapp, etc.). If every cell phone has LTE and internet connection, why the fuck do we need traditional cell phone number? I never use it except for calling my pharmacy, customer support or restaurants/shops. All conversations wit…

On spam filtering: the public telephone network transmits almost zero data on a call - the only header is the originating number, which can be un-traceably spoofed at the originator. There is no embedded message data (that would be the call itself). So there’s literally no valid data to filter spam on, unless the spam caller is chivalrous enough to use their legit caller ID. I would also bet that there are regulation…

There’s at least one piece of data on every call that the network operator has—-the identity of the prior network hop.

In the early days of fighting email spam, that was enough. Every network operator was responsible for receiving spam complaints and responding appropriately. Network providers that couldn’t or wouldn’t prevent spammers from using their networks were blacklisted and other networks would refuse to route mail originating from them.

It wasn’t perfect, but it was far better than nothing.

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

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Post by Zarath »

Brajeshwar wrote: post #26

I started with an experiment about a year back and now I've practically stopped answering phone calls. My phone responses are now async. Just like an email, I look up the missed calls list once a while and call back if I know someone or was expecting a call from a particular number. The phone is kept silent at all times and is on DND mode from the first minute of the day to the last. The only call that passes through…

My rules:

* If it isn't from someone I don't have whitelisted, don't answer it, unless I am expecting a call

* If I am not expecting a call and it is from my area code, answer it if I feel like it

* Otherwise, if it is not important enough to leave a voice mail, then it is not important enough for me to call back.

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

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Post by ignoramous »

homero wrote: post #58
ignoramous wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think there is a real need for email equivalent of a VOIP solution where there is automatic spam filtering just like emails. https://truecaller.com uses a crowd-sourced model to help you identify PSTN callers and spammers not in your contacts. Besides, I think WhatsApp had the right idea around personal communication at least when Jan and Brian called the shots. > If every cell phone has LTE and internet connecti…

These apps steal your phonebook and upload it

Unfortunately, yes, but you don't necessarily have to use the TrueCaller app on Android/iOS, the website works just fine. Besides, TrueCaller and WhatsApp won't be the only apps to steal your phone book, and with 100M and 2B installs respectively, the jury is already out on their utility.

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

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Post by viraptor »

busymom0 wrote: post #70
viraptor wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> allow users to be able to see the "Real" underlying phone number There are many cases where people will find it unacceptable. You don't want someone to dial directly to someone's desk at a corporation rather than front desk. You don't want someone to call a doctor on their private phone (they call out via practice's number from the road). Etc. You can't solve this issue by providing the two number. It's only solvab…

> You don't want someone to dial directly to someone's desk at a corporation rather than front desk. Couldn't this also be said about emails from companies? Similar to how they have the "donotreply" emails, can't they also have "donotdial" phone numbers?

The emails have links in them which direct you back to the website where you can continue the transaction/communication/whatever. You can't easily do this on the phone. You do want people to call you back. You as a company, not a specific phone on a specific desk.

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

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Post by m1sta_ »

shereadsthenews wrote: post #5

I can’t imagine why anyone ever answers the phone. I get at least ten robocalls every weekday. I don’t ever look at my voicemail and I haven’t answered a call in ages. Edit: I know I’m not alone because CNN just released a poll with no responses from people under the age of fifty, because they couldn’t reach enough of them by phone.

I don't understand why the USA doesn't pass laws to address this.

Re: 'One Ring' Phone Scam

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Post by copperx »

sandworm101 wrote: post #53
yebyen wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

70% of the spam calls I get could be stopped simply by blocking the exact same exchange that my number is in. Do spam callers really think I'm expecting a call from the same area code, same exchange as my own number? Do most people have friends that have phone numbers with the same first six digits in common with their own? I feel like this trick can't possibly work on anyone who has already seen it twice, and just b…

Yes. I bought my parent's thier phones and so they are on my plan, with very similar numbers. And at work, all company phones are on the same first digits.

Exactly. When spammers call me, they use the same prefix as work. Most of the times I answer just to hear a robocall.
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