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Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by chii »

staticassertion wrote: post #102
badsectoracula wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't A/B testing that is bad, it is running and/or modifying stuff in the user's computer without their knowledge that is bad. If a site modifies some part of their layout or whatever isn't bad, but a browser installing addons or changing settings to see if it will crash is bad.

Well, it's not like they're hoping it will crash. Presumably they're hoping it won't . Wouldn't it be more irresponsible to deploy to every user without first testing it out?

that's what the stable/experimental channels are for - a user who don't want to be tested on (such as a business user) can easily be sure that they are getting a stable release and their settings won't update under them.

Experimental/beta channels can have these changes pushed to it, since that's implied by the name, and those people who like living on the edge of new features do so knowingly.

Let the users control their destiny, let the users decide when. That's the hallmark of a trustworthy company.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by bwat49 »

louiz wrote: post #146
durpleDrank wrote: post #103

>open ff >lastpass gone >google error messages >please update ff >update >browser works I'm sorry to break it to you Chrome fanboys but it'll take a lot more than a minor extensions goof up (that was fixed in a day) for me to switch my browser.

For you, sure. For all the people that had their browser completely broken for the whole day, without any reason, however… And your one-day fix, how much time do you think it will take to be deployed on people’s linux system? Probably a few days or more. Probably enough for them to realize that they can just switch to Chrome to have a working browser.

my linux system already had the studies hotfix 24 hours ago

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by floatingatoll »

Fnoord wrote: post #139
floatingatoll wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you used addons in all tests, and/or have ever opened about:config, consider creating a fresh profile without any addons and leaving the settings at the defaults. If you still see problems after a week, that would confirm it’s Firefox rather than whatever third-party modifications you and/or your addons are making to the browser. For example, one of the popular cargo-cult ‘fixes’ for the addons issue instructs Fir…

I recommend to at least enable uBlock Origin as it will save you a lot of resources whilst browsing the web. There's a whole bunch of other privacy and resource related addons I also like, but it goes a bit too far to mention those.

uBlock Origin, AdBlock Plus, and other random flavor-of-the-year ad blockers are IIRC the #1 contributor to Firefox slowness, resource usage, and crashes for some years now. They are key examples of “expert user footguns” and I shudder to think how many users are incapable of repairing their browser when damaged by one or more of these addons. Yes, they can reduce bytes over the wire, but they do often come at the cost of reliability and efficiency that disabling them is often sufficient to diagnose browser problems with no other steps taken. “This site doesn’t show any ads, how could it possibly be uBlock?” is the most depressing question an expert has ever asked me about Firefox.

Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8802424

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by rhabarba »

Yoric wrote: post #129
rhabarba wrote: post #40

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The past two years with Firefox have made me gradually dislike Chrome less. Yesterday, I pulled the plug and switched to Vivaldi completely. I wouldn't be surprised if Firefox 75-or-so is based on Chrome anyway.

I've seen people expecting such a switch since... Firefox 6 or so? I wouldn't hold my breath.

Let's hope for the best. With Firefox 57, most Firefox add-ons and all Firefox themes must be Chrome-compatible already. The steps are smaller these days.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by zapzupnz »

rnd0 wrote: post #99
baalimago wrote: post #82

About time. Embarrassing bug. The only reason i didn't permanently swap browser is because of the lack of alternatives since none has the functionality I apply through the addons.

Personally, I've switched to waterfox -which is a fork of an older firefox branch, and it supports addons (at least the ones I use). I'm pretty happy with it, and I'm strongly considering staying with it even after firefox is fixed.

You'll be several revisions' worth of security patches behind. For an application that is usually one's main means of accessing the rest of the internet, that would be a deal-breaker for me.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by Fnoord »

floatingatoll wrote: post #154
Fnoord wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recommend to at least enable uBlock Origin as it will save you a lot of resources whilst browsing the web. There's a whole bunch of other privacy and resource related addons I also like, but it goes a bit too far to mention those.

uBlock Origin, AdBlock Plus, and other random flavor-of-the-year ad blockers are IIRC the #1 contributor to Firefox slowness, resource usage, and crashes for some years now. They are key examples of “expert user footguns” and I shudder to think how many users are incapable of repairing their browser when damaged by one or more of these addons. Yes, they can reduce bytes over the wire, but they do often come at the co…

Please provide a source that uBlock Origin is the #1 contributor to Firefox slowness, resource usage, and crashes.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by zapzupnz »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #130
apetresc wrote: post #125

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Huh? When was it promoted as a replacement, by whom? It’s not even in the same product category/ RSS aggregates updates to websites without needing to check them. Pocket takes an article you have open in your browser right now and saves a local offline copy on your phone. They’re apples and oranges. Apples and orangutangs, even.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/13/17446660/mozilla-firefox-... This sounds a lot like pushing it as an alternative to RSS to me.

How odd to construe an attention-grabbing headline for Mozilla's official party line. As another comment said, RSS isn't mentioned once — actually, it is, but it's an advertisement for the Verge's own RSS feed.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by wvenable »

jopsen wrote: post #112
wvenable wrote: post #100

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Yeah, this also worked for me on Android. Not sure why the downvotes.

You're better off waiting a few more hours that disabling important security features.

Given that all my extensions are privacy and/or adblocking features -- that seems unlikely. I can re-activate it when the Mozilla fixes the issue.
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