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Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by user17843 »

floatingatoll wrote: post #116
user17843 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be possible to roughly deduct this from the following statistics during the next days/weeks: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/... https://data.firefox.com

Note that these statistics would, presumably, exclude all users who disable telemetry in Firefox. Since many of those outraged at the interruption to addons seem to overlap frequently with those who object to and disable telemetry and studies on principle, their departure over this incident could well have no impact whatsoever on the metrics you linked above. It must be a nightmare for the Firefox team to have a mino…

I doubt this. There are extension update pings, and my guess is that the number of users is deducted from the update pings, but I could be wrong.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by viraptor »

badsectoracula wrote: post #76
kzrdude wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just the usual tug of war between developers and users for control of the computer. A completely careful open source project would normally leave such controversial things off by default, and moz which leans corporate will go part of the way towards enabling such features. I don't mind their compromise, they do good.

> It's just the usual tug of war between developers and users for control of the computer. And the annoying part of this being developers who act as if they do not understand (or just brush off) the concerns that the users have. Like, people want control over their own machines. How is that hard to understand?

Because functionality like that can be used to enable/disable features outside of tests as well. For example gating new things which could become a stability issue. Sometimes it's a choice between control or no control. Sometimes it's between your browser crashing or not. The power users will care about control, but the general population of users not really.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by andrewshadura »

zaat wrote: post #57
rhabarba wrote: post #36

I am not interested in finding out what they'll break next unless I want to participate in their Normandy botnet. Goodbye, Mozilla.

I was pretty pissed about the issue and the reasons that led to it, would you please introduce me to the trusted browser provider you are heading to? Because despite this and all the previous issues, I don't see any alternative that is half as good or cares about me as a user.

Have you tried Firefox?

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

#125

Post by apetresc »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #119
Yoric wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never hear Mozilla claiming anything about a prioprietary service being an alternative to add-ons. The reason for which built-in RSS support was removed is that it was much crappier than the add-ons available. Doesn't solve your problems, though :/

Pocket was promoted as the replacement for RSS. Pocket is a closed source SaaS product, despite the fact Mozilla now owns it.

Huh? When was it promoted as a replacement, by whom? It’s not even in the same product category/

RSS aggregates updates to websites without needing to check them. Pocket takes an article you have open in your browser right now and saves a local offline copy on your phone. They’re apples and oranges. Apples and orangutangs, even.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by floatingatoll »

user17843 wrote: post #121
floatingatoll wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that these statistics would, presumably, exclude all users who disable telemetry in Firefox. Since many of those outraged at the interruption to addons seem to overlap frequently with those who object to and disable telemetry and studies on principle, their departure over this incident could well have no impact whatsoever on the metrics you linked above. It must be a nightmare for the Firefox team to have a mino…

I doubt this. There are extension update pings, and my guess is that the number of users is deducted from the update pings, but I could be wrong.

“How dare Firefox check for updates from a remote server” is a real thing that’s been said in support of many “privacy” guides that disable all Firefox and addons autoupdates, so I wouldn’t bet the farm either way.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by whatamidoingyo »

I've been waiting to see this. Just updated from 65.0 to 66.0.3. My addons are still disabled. Tried to install ublock origin, and it's not letting me. I'm getting a "Download failed. Please check your connection."

This is crazy, and I'm really disappointed with Mozilla. I'd leave firefox right now, but I don't want to contribute to the destruction of one of the last good pieces of software not owned by Google.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by autotune »

baalimago wrote: post #82

About time. Embarrassing bug. The only reason i didn't permanently swap browser is because of the lack of alternatives since none has the functionality I apply through the addons.

I switched to Chrome before this after Firefox started randomly requiring me to close it out and re-open when switching wifi hotspots too often, and connecting/disconnecting from VPN too often and this was on multiple laptops and fairly recently.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by Yoric »

rhabarba wrote: post #40
theferalrobot wrote: post #17

I tried Firefox recently because I want to ditch my Chrome habit and I love Mozilla but it had serious performance issues on all of my macs (fans would spin at max after 5 min, a long standing and known issue I guess) along with some real oddities on my android. Between bad performance and these many recent missteps I ended up ditching it for just another chromium based browser out there. Though my experience is some…

The past two years with Firefox have made me gradually dislike Chrome less. Yesterday, I pulled the plug and switched to Vivaldi completely. I wouldn't be surprised if Firefox 75-or-so is based on Chrome anyway.

I've seen people expecting such a switch since... Firefox 6 or so? I wouldn't hold my breath.

Re: Firefox 66.0.4 is out, fixes disabled add-ons

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Post by throwaway2048 »

apetresc wrote: post #125
throwaway2048 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pocket was promoted as the replacement for RSS. Pocket is a closed source SaaS product, despite the fact Mozilla now owns it.

Huh? When was it promoted as a replacement, by whom? It’s not even in the same product category/ RSS aggregates updates to websites without needing to check them. Pocket takes an article you have open in your browser right now and saves a local offline copy on your phone. They’re apples and oranges. Apples and orangutangs, even.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/13/17446660/mozilla-firefox-...

This sounds a lot like pushing it as an alternative to RSS to me.

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