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Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

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Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

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He's suing to get them back and for compensation for having to "temporarily" replace them, but even if he wins he probably shouldn't trust either device in the future (possibly more so for the laptop).

Call me paranoid, but i'd be putting those devices into a heavy duty shredder if I got them back.

Why — security researchers would gladly buy them for a nonzero sum.

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#72

> Officers uncovered a customs-related offence during 38 per cent of those searches, said the agency. I really want to understand what kind of digital data is considered a customs-related offence.

>I really want to understand what kind of digital data is considered a customs-related offence.

Photo of someone smoking a joint in a legally (at the state level) operated dispensary. A pirated MP3 or video file.

There's all sorts of minor "customs violations" that would come into view looking through a device that frankly, aren't serious enough to warrant the violation of privacy.

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#73
post #20

He's suing to get them back and for compensation for having to "temporarily" replace them, but even if he wins he probably shouldn't trust either device in the future (possibly more so for the laptop).

>he probably shouldn't trust either device in the future (possibly more so for the laptop). Seems risky for the government to put any firmware/hardware implants on those devices. The user is naturally going to be suspicious of it because the government had unrestricted access for days/weeks. So there's a high chance that the user might not even use it or will send it to an expert for analysis. If discovered, it's goi…

Or if the implant was software based, they could release the code so it can be flagged in antivirus / the hole patched.

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#74
post #58
post #21

Digital privacy while crossing borders seems to increasingly be an issue. And I'm worried that it's not going to improve any time soon. Politicians and very rich people don't deal with border security the same way normal people do.

That’s my main issue with the recent trend to make international travel harder. There’s a huge push to assume that travelers are criminals and all kind of inconveniences, expenses or outright humiliations are O.K.

I've certainly reduced my tourism levels on account of CBP. Can you not rip my car to shreds every time I cross the border?

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#75
post #9

>Wright refused, telling the officer both devices contained confidential information protected by solicitor-client privilege. >He said the officer then confiscated his phone and laptop, and told him the items would be sent to a government lab which would try to crack his passwords and search his files. Can this be used to get whatever case(es) he was defending thrown out because solicitor-client privilege was violate…

If it can, sounds like a loophole to get a case you're working on thrown out. If it cannot, sounds like a convenient way to gain extra leverage.

And all it takes is to bribe an officer.

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

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post #70
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will never be able to prove parallel construction happened.

who has the burden of proof though?

You do since the courts assume the parties behave honorably (I.e. they assume there is no parallel construction)

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#77
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a reality tv show that follows the Canadian border patrol, in the couple episodes I’ve seen the agents have found emails about the person crossing actually going for work when they say for tourism or visiting family.

I mean, to be honest, that's probably illegal, but I have never liked trading freedom for security.

People love trading other people's freedom for security. Especially if it has to do with immigration.

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#78

These cases keep on cropping up and you see people suggesting to do some sort of technical trick like taking the hard-disk out of the laptop and carrying a TailsOS live USB flash device for your computing. Other tricks might include mailing a USB flash disk to a hotel reception with the intent of picking it up when you arrive. These are all fraught with risk and you could appear extra suspicious by doing these. Anoth…

Well, I'm not sure if one wants to just call security approaches "tricks". A "trick" approach is often one that can be undone if your adversary knows about it (keeping your files hidden somewhere in your luggage would be a "trick"). A cohesive approach should be unbreachable if minimal conditions are met.

If you can assure a "trustworthy" base computing environment (one that isn't keylogged etc), then having your valuable files encrypted in a remote location should work (which is the idea of tailsOS boot + a remote drive). How determined the adversary would determine how hard they might fight again you getting such a trustworthy environment.

Just sayin'

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#79

> Officers uncovered a customs-related offence during 38 per cent of those searches, said the agency. I really want to understand what kind of digital data is considered a customs-related offence.

There are cases at the Canadian border in which the investigators search for "boy" or "girl" using the Windows search tools to see if there is child pornography on your device. In other circumstances, they uncover hentai[0] showing characters that appear to be underage - and bringing that into Canada is illegal (in fact, much like Australia and New Zealand, any sexual depiction of fictional minors is illegal, and tha…

> any sexual depiction of fictional minors is illegal, and that can include stories or other text

So the bible and the quran cannot be imported legally into these countries?

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, wipe disk (or install a new one), re-install OS, and if you're super paranoid then re-flash BIOS and you should be good to go.

That's literally useless for government sponsored persistent malware.

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