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Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

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Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#11

He's suing to get them back and for compensation for having to "temporarily" replace them, but even if he wins he probably shouldn't trust either device in the future (possibly more so for the laptop).

Eh, wipe disk (or install a new one), re-install OS, and if you're super paranoid then re-flash BIOS and you should be good to go.

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#12
> Officers uncovered a customs-related offence during 38 per cent of those searches, said the agency.

This is hard for me to comprehend. Does anyone have an idea of what 38% of the phones can have stored on them, that is illegal to have when crossing the border?

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#13
post #2

> He said the officer then confiscated his phone and laptop, and told him the items would be sent to a government lab which would try to crack his passwords and search his files. Hopefully they were powered down and used proper full-disk encryption.

Honestly, that's not something you can expect from regular non-power users. Full-disk encryption isn't enabled by default on most consumer laptops, and few regular users go out of their way to set it up.

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#14

> Officers uncovered a customs-related offence during 38 per cent of those searches, said the agency. I really want to understand what kind of digital data is considered a customs-related offence.

There’s a reality tv show that follows the Canadian border patrol, in the couple episodes I’ve seen the agents have found emails about the person crossing actually going for work when they say for tourism or visiting family.

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#15
Many of the services which could be accessible from those devices are American services with data residing on American servers. I wonder if it is possible to use hacking laws as a means of dissuading border agents from looking at devices. A Canadian agent might have jurisdiction in Canada but what if the get charged under the CFAA in the USA for accessing a server they aren't legally allowed to access. Perhaps it would be possible to design a specific legal/digital service for people to install with servers all over the world as a type of legal landmine meant to punish agents searching data by using hacking laws in many jurisdictions. Think of it like copyleft for stopping agents from snooping.

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#16

I never really understood the reason for seizing an electronic device anyway. Surely if something was important / secret enough it wouldn't be _on_ the phone. What are they looking for, exactly?

Most criminals don’t actually have great OpSec.

I’m sure there are tons of phones that have incriminating photographs in the default camera app, or incriminating text messages or saved voicemails or who knows what.

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#17
post #2

> He said the officer then confiscated his phone and laptop, and told him the items would be sent to a government lab which would try to crack his passwords and search his files. Hopefully they were powered down and used proper full-disk encryption.

Honestly, that's not something you can expect from regular non-power users. Full-disk encryption isn't enabled by default on most consumer laptops, and few regular users go out of their way to set it up.

Full disk encryption is the default on MacOS Mojave.

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

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post #12

> Officers uncovered a customs-related offence during 38 per cent of those searches, said the agency. This is hard for me to comprehend. Does anyone have an idea of what 38% of the phones can have stored on them, that is illegal to have when crossing the border?

> Does anyone have an idea of what 38% of the phones can have stored on them, that is illegal to have when crossing the border?

Generally it's things like text messages from friends/family/potential employers that lead agents to think the person isn't going to abide by their non-work/short term visa.

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#19

I never really understood the reason for seizing an electronic device anyway. Surely if something was important / secret enough it wouldn't be _on_ the phone. What are they looking for, exactly?

They are looking to toy with you. Power is a funny thing, especially when there is no consequences for abusing your power.

Re: Canada Border Services seizes lawyer's phone, laptop for not sharing passwords

#20

He's suing to get them back and for compensation for having to "temporarily" replace them, but even if he wins he probably shouldn't trust either device in the future (possibly more so for the laptop).

>he probably shouldn't trust either device in the future (possibly more so for the laptop).

Seems risky for the government to put any firmware/hardware implants on those devices. The user is naturally going to be suspicious of it because the government had unrestricted access for days/weeks. So there's a high chance that the user might not even use it or will send it to an expert for analysis. If discovered, it's going to look extra bad for the government because there's no doubt that they did it.

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