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Re: Tor Browser disabled NoScript, but can't update

#41

Somewhat related to this ongoing Mozilla plugin saga, are there any infamous stories I should look up that involve huge mistakes leading to unfixable clients? Ie. Imagine bricking your customer's devices with an irreversible buggy update. In Mozilla's case they were able to deploy a hotfix for many, and an update for others. But I imagine there's got to be some great stories about completely bricking countless device…

BLU phones released an update that made it impossible to unlock the phones. I factory reset mine rather than muck with downloading another update for the sd card.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/357649/blu-phone-update-is-bricki...

Re: Tor Browser disabled NoScript, but can't update

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If Mozilla hadn't locked down Firefox so much, the fix could have been as simple as going into about:config and flipping a switch to allow unsigned plugins.

FWIW, since the original intent of the change to block unsigned plugins was to prevent third party software installers from adding malicious plugins without user consent, leaving a preference to toggle it back would have been pretty pointless as the third party installers could have just toggled the preference themselves (about:config is just some sort of easily modifiable data format on disk). TBH it’s not hard for…

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Re: Tor Browser disabled NoScript, but can't update

#43
post #23

Somewhat related to this ongoing Mozilla plugin saga, are there any infamous stories I should look up that involve huge mistakes leading to unfixable clients? Ie. Imagine bricking your customer's devices with an irreversible buggy update. In Mozilla's case they were able to deploy a hotfix for many, and an update for others. But I imagine there's got to be some great stories about completely bricking countless device…

It's one of my favorite interview questions. I only know the answer because it happened to us once with 5M users on the affected version before it was discovered. It's a very good question to see how people react in a mostly hopeless situation. The only candidate out of 100s to logically get to the solution (or essentially it) was one of the best engineesr I've hired and worked with. "So you and your team just releas…

Start screaming and rollback?

Re: Tor Browser disabled NoScript, but can't update

#44
post #41

Somewhat related to this ongoing Mozilla plugin saga, are there any infamous stories I should look up that involve huge mistakes leading to unfixable clients? Ie. Imagine bricking your customer's devices with an irreversible buggy update. In Mozilla's case they were able to deploy a hotfix for many, and an update for others. But I imagine there's got to be some great stories about completely bricking countless device…

BLU phones released an update that made it impossible to unlock the phones. I factory reset mine rather than muck with downloading another update for the sd card. https://www.pcmag.com/news/357649/blu-phone-update-is-bricki...

Pretty amazing you could even reset it. If that happened on iOS you’d be out of luck.

Re: Tor Browser disabled NoScript, but can't update

#45
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I can't improve upon this comment: "Hey Mozilla - this is why people said that forcing addons to be signed with no way to disable was a bad idea. You didn't even make it a year without screwing it up. Who could have seen this coming? Oh wait, pretty much everyone who argued against this policy."

It's a dumb comment. There was a ton of malware being distributed as add-ons that came packaged with other installers. This solved that issue.

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Re: Tor Browser disabled NoScript, but can't update

#46

One of the weird things here is that javascript is not disabled by default in the Tor Browser and instead an addon is needed. This whole thing is also yet another reason to use something like Tails or Whonix which are much safer to use with JS enabled.

It is a valid trade-off to leave Javascript enabled by default in Tor Browser. The reason being, the experience is much more user-friendly to a layperson and thus results in greater network usage and diversity. "Safe" is a relative concept in information security and not everyone has the same goals or risks - though in principle I agree disabling JS greatly hardens a browser.

Re: Tor Browser disabled NoScript, but can't update

#47
post #23

Somewhat related to this ongoing Mozilla plugin saga, are there any infamous stories I should look up that involve huge mistakes leading to unfixable clients? Ie. Imagine bricking your customer's devices with an irreversible buggy update. In Mozilla's case they were able to deploy a hotfix for many, and an update for others. But I imagine there's got to be some great stories about completely bricking countless device…

It's one of my favorite interview questions. I only know the answer because it happened to us once with 5M users on the affected version before it was discovered. It's a very good question to see how people react in a mostly hopeless situation. The only candidate out of 100s to logically get to the solution (or essentially it) was one of the best engineesr I've hired and worked with. "So you and your team just releas…

"I would give my two weeks notice."

So how'd I do in the interview? ;)

Re: Tor Browser disabled NoScript, but can't update

#48
post #23

Somewhat related to this ongoing Mozilla plugin saga, are there any infamous stories I should look up that involve huge mistakes leading to unfixable clients? Ie. Imagine bricking your customer's devices with an irreversible buggy update. In Mozilla's case they were able to deploy a hotfix for many, and an update for others. But I imagine there's got to be some great stories about completely bricking countless device…

It's one of my favorite interview questions. I only know the answer because it happened to us once with 5M users on the affected version before it was discovered. It's a very good question to see how people react in a mostly hopeless situation. The only candidate out of 100s to logically get to the solution (or essentially it) was one of the best engineesr I've hired and worked with. "So you and your team just releas…

Need more info, why it couldn't connect?

Eg, if it was just a typo in the domain name, just register the domain new name or adjust the DNS record ;-)

Re: Tor Browser disabled NoScript, but can't update

#49
> Turns out an unrelated 3rd party can suddenly remotely disable Tor anonymity protections at their whim

Am I the only one annoyed by people pushing this "they flicked a switch" narrative? No. They provided shitty software that didn't work under certain conditions (in this case date related) and thus broke your shitty software.

A third party having remote control capability is something entirely different.

Re: Tor Browser disabled NoScript, but can't update

#50

I don't buy for 5 minutes that Tor Browser is secure regardless of configuration. TAILS maybe but Tor Browser you may as well let an FBI agent into your house. A few years back the government starts busting all these dark web sites/users and will pull out of court cases rather then explain how. Gee I wonder.

Tor project is US government op, true. It's good at hiding government employees using untrusted networks from hostile third parties. It is also good for foreign whistleblowers releasing data to US government. Tor is NOT good at keeping you private from government. It is good at keeping you private from your ISP or employer however. Don't do anything illegal using tor and thinking you are safe.

> Tor is NOT good at keeping you private from government

This is a bold claim. Would you mind backing it up?

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