Tell HN: Archive.is inaccessible via Cloudflare DNS (1.1.1.1)

Post by [deleted] » Sun, May 05, 2019, 1:14 AM UTC

HNthrow22 wrote: post #122

eastdakota wrote: post #36

We don’t block archive.is or any other domain via 1.1.1.1. Doing so, we believe, would violate the integrity of DNS and the privacy and security promises we made to our users when we launched the service. Archive.is’s authoritative DNS servers return bad results to 1.1.1.1 when we query them. I’ve proposed we just fix it on our end but our team, quite rightly, said that too would violate the integrity of DNS and the…

archive.is is a very important tool in online extremism research and you've taken money from far-right extremists, your explanation for why it's inaccessible seems incomplete. This is probably where I get banned from Hn but it has to be said - to posture as if you care about end users while in the same breath taking money from extremists and turning over personal identifiable information to far-right outlets like Dai…

Post by [deleted] » Sun, May 05, 2019, 1:17 AM UTC

eastdakota wrote: post #63

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #58

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@eastdakota what about just failing without response on archive.is calls so the second resolver address configured in the client will be used? I understand this is also a DNS integrity violation, however the result for the end user would be either the same if they don’t have a second resolver configured or enhanced if they do. The current effect is I stop using 1.1.1.1 when I need archive.is (often) and set it back t…

DNS either has integrity or it doesn’t. We get a response from an Authoritative server and, as a Resolver, we believe our responsibility is to return it. If we start making exceptions because of bad PR, how can you trust us to do the right thing when the stakes are even higher (e.g., nationstate pressure)? As an aside, I used to think that when Emerson said that “a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds…

Post by scarface74 » Sun, May 05, 2019, 1:41 AM UTC

syshum wrote: post #126

HNthrow22 wrote: post #122

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archive.is is a very important tool in online extremism research and you've taken money from far-right extremists, your explanation for why it's inaccessible seems incomplete. This is probably where I get banned from Hn but it has to be said - to posture as if you care about end users while in the same breath taking money from extremists and turning over personal identifiable information to far-right outlets like Dai…

This is amusing, They Banned the DailyStormer which I why I will never support them. While I disagree 100% with the DailyStormer it is not up to cloudflare to decide who can and can not speak, who can and can not access the internet. The concept of Free Speech is the most important right we have as humanity, while I may not agree with some peoples words I will fight for their right to say those words And do not even…

Post by fapjacks » Sun, May 05, 2019, 1:45 AM UTC

syshum wrote: post #126

HNthrow22 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

archive.is is a very important tool in online extremism research and you've taken money from far-right extremists, your explanation for why it's inaccessible seems incomplete. This is probably where I get banned from Hn but it has to be said - to posture as if you care about end users while in the same breath taking money from extremists and turning over personal identifiable information to far-right outlets like Dai…

This is amusing, They Banned the DailyStormer which I why I will never support them. While I disagree 100% with the DailyStormer it is not up to cloudflare to decide who can and can not speak, who can and can not access the internet. The concept of Free Speech is the most important right we have as humanity, while I may not agree with some peoples words I will fight for their right to say those words And do not even…

Post by manigandham » Sun, May 05, 2019, 2:07 AM UTC

slenk wrote: post #109

manigandham wrote: post #77

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EDNS is a working system today, doesn't seem that hacky to use it until a new system is actually ready (which doesn't seem to be anytime soon anyway).

It works if you don't care about privacy