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Re: Typing in Yiddish

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> It’s fascinating still to read, for example, Hertzl’s (Sephardi on his fathers’s side) commentary about this specific issue. I personally wouldn't take my source of knowledge about Yiddish from father of the movement whose whole ambition was to abandon the Yiddish world. > To be accurate, Ashkenazi jews don’t speak Yiddish they speak German. There was a cultural disconnect between these two groups themselves. The t…

Eastern-European, not Ashkenazi. Ashkenazi is associated with German, secular Jews, emancipated and mostly assimilated already by the end of the 19th century. Eastern-Europeans are neither of that and BTW, using religious study as "education" is misleading. In the modern world Hasidim and Haredim are not very different from the Taliban (including their objection to education of girls). There are exceptions of course,…

That's... not what Ashkenazi means at all.

The European components (called, in Israeli discource, Ashkenazi) of the secular Israeli mainstream overwhelmingly trace their roots to Eastern Europe; Ben Gurion was born in Poland, Dayan's parents were from Ukraine, and the fathers of both Tzipi Livni and Bibi Netanyahu were born in Poland.

As Eastern European Jews secularized, many of them began to use non-Jewish languages for secular literature, while others (notably the more nationalist or socialist ones, e.g. the Bund or the Folkists) began using Yiddish as a secular language. However, those who went to Israel used Hebrew for these purposes, and those who stayed in Europe were killed.

Generally, it sounds like you're working under the misconception that the ultra-Orthodox and National Religious [1] are ethnically different from European-descended secular Israelis. They are not. They are distinguished by the ideological leanings of their grandparents in the early-20th-century, after which point individuals moving between the blocs became less and less frequent (though not unheard of).

[1] Very different groups, by the way - the National Religious uniformly speak Hebrew, and are most of the religious people in the settlements you're talking about.

Re: Typing in Yiddish

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Eastern-European, not Ashkenazi. Ashkenazi is associated with German, secular Jews, emancipated and mostly assimilated already by the end of the 19th century. Eastern-Europeans are neither of that and BTW, using religious study as "education" is misleading. In the modern world Hasidim and Haredim are not very different from the Taliban (including their objection to education of girls). There are exceptions of course,…

Oy gevalt this escalated fast. I thought this was about typing in a language called Yiddish, and you're bringing the discussion to Kahan and Goldstein? Can you imagine if this was an article about typing in Pashtun and someone escalated it to talk about the Taliban? At the very least it's not very HN is it? (Ahem, moderators?) My friend, I appreciate that from Israel you might identify Yiddish with Haredim (religious…

Given their weird insistence that European-descended secular Israelis are not Ashkenazi, I strongly doubt that this person is from Israel. Their political and ethnic vocabulary is totally divorced from Israeli discourse.

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These are blatant racist tropes about religious Jews!

At least you didn’t say antisemitic. Assuming there’s anything “Semitic” about Eastern Europeans Jews (as per the above linked research paper). BTW talking of which, it’s always fun to go back and read Arthur Ruppin's ideas about race. That’s an ashkenazi eugenist whom couple of institutes in Israel are named after, including the Ruppin academic center.

Those Eastern European Jews are also the secular Israeli mainstream, and also most of American Jews. They are, as the paper says, mixed European and Middle Eastern. That paper's results had the mixture for Ashkenazim as approximately 80/20, while others have it at 50/50 or 40/60, with varying low levels of admixture from the Caucasus.

Re: Typing in Yiddish

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> Yiddish really has nothing to do with Hebrew other than the script and borrowed words which are forced into it. Sort of like Farsi and Arabic. Not really true. It's a fusion of Germanic, Slavic (and today English and Dutch) with Hebrew and Aramaic. One thing that's amazing about Yiddish is the ability to shift from a secular to sacred level within the same language. The language and the culture is a tension between…

Semitic languages have a root and pattern system which is central to the language and does not exist in Yiddish, that's why it's "forced". The Aramaic is of course a central connecting element in all these languages, including Arabic.

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