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What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by Havoc »

dontbenebby wrote: post #61

My favorite conspiracy theory (emphasis on theory, this is pure speculation) is they're Chinese drones. The logic basically goes that 3M accidentally created a force field[1] in a factory[2], factories are mostly in China now, so if "running a factory" leads to antigravity tech, China would be the ones to develop it. As much as "I want to believe", if it's true they're not American, it's quite possible they're not al…

Pretty big gap between static elec fields and what's being described in the article.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by 64738 »

qpiox wrote: post #55

I have seen UFO-s twice. First time in early 1990ies, second time it was about 10 years ago. First sight looked like a formation of lights that moved in sync across the night sky in a straight line. The formation was long, like a long rectangle or long cylinder made of stars. Not too many stars, maybe a hundred. Moving slowly straight in the direction of it's length. I could not tell how far it was, so I can't really…

Exactly. I believe I saw one or more UFOs when I was kid, maybe 10 or 11 years old, while riding my bike to a local park. Three or four stationary white lights in the sky, equidistant from each other. Of note, this was in an early afternoon mid-summer day without a cloud in the sky. And they weren't drones, this was in the late 70s.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by 64738 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #35

The last time this got a lot of publicity in the 80s, it was cover for tomahawk missile testing. The other possibility is some nut job in the administration has a pet project.

Or nut jobs (plural), unknown to or untouchable by the administration, have a pet project ;)

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by martamorena »

I find it funny that people still believe that any alien object reaching us (just remember the engineering work necessary to do that and how many hundreds of years if not more we are away from reaching distant planets or galaxies) could be observed in the visual range or even with any kind of technology we have. And if they do, then it is on purpose. What purpose is that? Doesn't earth look tasty to them? It's much more likely that these are some military prototypes or spy equipment, unmanned drones, etc. or just pure imagination.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by Rodeoclash »

wbhart wrote: post #72
Tossrock wrote: post #70

Since this is recirculating in the public consciousness, I'm going to repeat my pet theory: they're automated Von Neumann probes that have been in the solar system (and probably ~all star systems in the galaxy) for longer than humanity has existed, and are performing reconnaissance now that there are signs of intelligent life on the planet. I like this theory because it obviates large problems with other theories, ie…

Why would Von Neumann probes make silent, sharp, right angled turns at impossible speeds with no visible thrust, defying the known laws of physics. It can't be evidence of aliens if it isn't even possible.

I don't know "how" they do it, but those kind of motions do remind me of how AI agents move in computer games when unconstrained by the rules of physics.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by ianai »

runjake wrote: post #74
jvanderbot wrote: post #68

Having dealt with some of these systems, let me tell you up front, its entirely possible it's nothing. I've seen tracks like those suggested in the article pass directly overhead support vessels during maneuvers, and theres nothing there. It can happen a few times a day or even hour, and just means your sensor fusion is a bit janky. tfa: "This, in turn, provides very high fidelity 'tracks' of targets thanks to teleme…

If you watch the videos in the article interviewing crew members, they express great doube that these were sensor anomalies. They mention replacing equipment, doing several re-calibrations, and that the detections were multi-spectral and even corroborated on separate craft and sensor packages. I'm a former military avionics dude who worked on systems like this, including "black" stuff. I don't believe in extraterrest…

Do you think they’re actual anomalies? Ie something actually there that isn’t explainable.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by bayareanative »

Applying Occam's Razor:

It's an elaborate disinformation campaign to persuade foreign adversaries to spend money on threats that don't exist. Inflatable tanks and planes of WWII taken to the modern era, long-con fakery facilitated and amplified by social media. NORAD could also vector a large white, odd-shaped aircraft with much separation from commercial traffic with their transponder switched off to seem like that rogue UFO. Throw in some CGI deepfakes to bolster the story. Testimonials about radar tracks with outlandish claims of impossible acceleration sans verifiable evidence to reinforce other-worldly mystique.

Santa Claus isn't real and neither are purported robotic ETs reccying Earth's flora and fauna for an invasion.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by runjake »

ianai wrote: post #86
runjake wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you watch the videos in the article interviewing crew members, they express great doube that these were sensor anomalies. They mention replacing equipment, doing several re-calibrations, and that the detections were multi-spectral and even corroborated on separate craft and sensor packages. I'm a former military avionics dude who worked on systems like this, including "black" stuff. I don't believe in extraterrest…

Do you think they’re actual anomalies? Ie something actually there that isn’t explainable.

I do think something was there on those occasions and that it was not an anomaly. Again, because this was viewed multi-spectrally (visual, FLIR, video, radar) across multiple vessels.

I’d need to witness it myself to form any stronger opinions. I do believe the crew people being interviewed are stating what happened to the best of their knowledge.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by bayareanative »

bayareanative wrote: post #87

Applying Occam's Razor: It's an elaborate disinformation campaign to persuade foreign adversaries to spend money on threats that don't exist. Inflatable tanks and planes of WWII taken to the modern era, long-con fakery facilitated and amplified by social media. NORAD could also vector a large white, odd-shaped aircraft with much separation from commercial traffic with their transponder switched off to seem like that…

US mil folks are having a good laugh behind the scenes. They probably trade X-Files memes.

Re: What Is Going on with UFOs and the Department of Defense?

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Post by heavenlyblue »

DuskStar wrote: post #73
giancarlostoro wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With everyone glued to smart phones it is getting easier and easier to be "stealthy"

There's actually schemes to detect stealth aircraft through the changes in signal strength they induce in cell phones below their flight path. Not precise enough for targeting, but good enough to put up a plane to confirm...

Assume this only covers stealth planes flying below the height of the base stations?
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