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People's sense of control over actions is reduced when angry or afraid: study

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Re: People's sense of control over actions is reduced when angry or afraid: study

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Posted title is clickbait. Actual title: "People's Sense of Control Over Their Actions Is Reduced At A Fundamental Level When They're Angry Or Afraid." What the article actually says is that when people are angry or afraid, they don't believe as strongly that their actions are within their control. This seems like one of those "well, duh" kind of studies, but it's pretty interesting, because it lends credence to the…

> they don't believe

More specifically, they act in a manner of not believing rather than merely stating as much.

Re: People's sense of control over actions is reduced when angry or afraid: study

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From the first paragraph: "...they often say that... they didn’t feel responsible for those actions – they “lost control”.... In the UK, under certain circumstances, a person accused of murder can even claim that this “loss of control” led to them killing their victim. If successful, this defence can reduce charges to manslaughter." I am surprised at this line defense (not a lawyer, of course). At the risk of creatin…

About jurisprudential tool from modern Russia's early years:

An interesting solution to the dilemma in your last paragraph was invented by people who wrote first laws after USSR collapsed.

While any kind of self defence was forbidden by law, moreover lethal one, it was expected that in a moment of mortal danger, a person temporarily looses his mental fitness for legal purposes, thus having no responsibility for his actions during that.

Re: People's sense of control over actions is reduced when angry or afraid: study

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From the first paragraph: "...they often say that... they didn’t feel responsible for those actions – they “lost control”.... In the UK, under certain circumstances, a person accused of murder can even claim that this “loss of control” led to them killing their victim. If successful, this defence can reduce charges to manslaughter." I am surprised at this line defense (not a lawyer, of course). At the risk of creatin…

Isn't there a distinction between manslaughter and a premeditated murder in most jurisdictions? Where I'm from, impulsively killing someone in a burst of anger ("a crime of passion") is definitely different from a cold-blooded murder in the eyes of the law.

Re: People's sense of control over actions is reduced when angry or afraid: study

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Anger is such an interesting experience in that (if this study is correct) we tend to actually lose agency while angry, but internally I think we actually believe we have dramatically increased agency in the moment. That's part of what makes anger so dangerous. We're basically at maximum stupid while angry. Do you ever get angry and suddenly feel a loss for words? Difficulty articulating arguments? Resorting to less…

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Re: People's sense of control over actions is reduced when angry or afraid: study

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Anger is such an interesting experience in that (if this study is correct) we tend to actually lose agency while angry, but internally I think we actually believe we have dramatically increased agency in the moment. That's part of what makes anger so dangerous. We're basically at maximum stupid while angry. Do you ever get angry and suddenly feel a loss for words? Difficulty articulating arguments? Resorting to less…

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Re: People's sense of control over actions is reduced when angry or afraid: study

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From William S. Burroughs' Naked Lunch : > I am never here …. Never that is fully in possession, but somehow in a position to forestall ill-advised moves…. Patrolling is, in fact, my principal occupation….. No matter how tight Security, I am always somewhere Outside giving orders and Inside this strait jacket of jelly that gives and stretches but always reforms ahead of every movement, thought, impulse, stamped with…

I wonder what reduced William S. Burroughs' sense of control over his actions that one time when he accidentally murdered his wife.

Re: People's sense of control over actions is reduced when angry or afraid: study

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Anger is such an interesting experience in that (if this study is correct) we tend to actually lose agency while angry, but internally I think we actually believe we have dramatically increased agency in the moment. That's part of what makes anger so dangerous. We're basically at maximum stupid while angry. Do you ever get angry and suddenly feel a loss for words? Difficulty articulating arguments? Resorting to less…

> we tend to actually lose agency while angry, but internally I think we actually believe we have dramatically increased agency in the moment

I mean, we do have increased agency, in a certain sense: we are far better at doing (or, at least, motivating ourselves to do, and keeping our executive functioning pointed toward doing without distractions) the things that "we" want to do when angry.

It's just that both the things "we" want when angry (our preferences), and the mechanisms "we" use to achieve those goals, aren't the same preferences and mechanisms we'd use normally. They're a subset, the parts of you that don't require any conscious deliberation to enact. Whatever parts of "you" are entirely implemented by conscious thought, those parts are temporarily excluded from the definition of the agent "you" when "you" are angry.

In the "Elephant and Rider" metaphor for thinking, when the rider steps off the elephant and lets the elephant run, the elephant becomes much better at doing elephant things. It isn't necessarily much better at doing "rider-and-elephant-as-system" things; it's probably worse at those. But if you need a pure-elephant solution to a problem, getting off the elephant can help.

In martial arts, for example, conscious deliberation is never desired. The rider is never as good at micromanaging the elephant's movements as the elephant is at moving itself. "You"—the rider—want to train "yourself"—the elephant—to move this way reflexively; such that, in a real fight, you can let loose the elephant, and the elephant can solve your problem.

Re: People's sense of control over actions is reduced when angry or afraid: study

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Anger is such an interesting experience in that (if this study is correct) we tend to actually lose agency while angry, but internally I think we actually believe we have dramatically increased agency in the moment. That's part of what makes anger so dangerous. We're basically at maximum stupid while angry. Do you ever get angry and suddenly feel a loss for words? Difficulty articulating arguments? Resorting to less…

Ive read some of the book "The Art of Empathy", in which the author describes anger as "the prideful sentry." I like this way of thinking about it. Clearly, any emotion when taken to the extreme is bad, and anger is perhaps the most obvious example -- yet I would hesitate to call its existence useless, even in a modern context. Anger & pride both have functions as "alarm systems" for circumstances which would be detr…

I've heard Brene Brown call anger a "catalytic" emotion. It's supposed to tell us when we've been wronged or something is harmful to us in the environment, but then it's then up to us to step back, evaluate the situation rationally, and figure out exactly what's wrong and what can we do to remove ourselves from the harmful situation. In other words, anger's supposed to be a spur to action: if you just sit their stewing, you are missing the point. And if you just impulsively react, you're heeding the anger but probably not taking the most effective course you could be.
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