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Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by bilbo0s »

yhoneycomb wrote: post #51
Jerry2 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei phones send info to China. https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3685669

Seems like rampant vote manipulation is going on here to promote anti-Sinoism.

In fairness, there's rampant vote manipulation to promote everything on HN. So the Sino-philic camp is doing it too. kind of unfair to single out the Sino-phobic camp in that regard.

I mean, if you're in a room full of pregnant high school girls, it makes no sense to single one out as the "most" virgin. There are no virgins in the room.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by bilbo0s »

snazz wrote: post #57
chowyuncat wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just ignore the surveillance state with millions in concentration camps?

My bigger concern is Google in this case. No Android phone manufacturer does anywhere near as good of job at security or privacy compared to Apple. If you can’t install LineageOS (needless to say, I skip adding Google Play Services) on it, I wouldn’t feel comfortable owning it.

Good point about Google. They are by far the largest privacy and security threat on those phones. (On any Android phone actually.)

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by colejohnson66 »

tanilama wrote: post #43

Is it that hard to admit that Apple products can no longer command a premium among its competitors? The company is now in a great trouble into irrelevancy because of years' inaction.

People have been spouting “Apple is going to fail” since their inception. People said the original iPhone was a fail for many reasons such as “no one wants a touchscreen” and more.[0] Until Apple fails, they’re not failing. They definitely changed directions under Tim Cook, but that’s because he’s not Steve Jobs. The Apple Watch has been a huge success with over 40% market share.[1]

[0]: https://mashable.com/2017/06/29/iphone-2g-original-naysayers...

[1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2019/05/02/apple-watch-1q19-market...

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by dragonwriter »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #58

Everyone keeps mentioning that iPhones get more expensive, but when you look at it (inflation adjusted), that’s not really true.[0] Apple is still charging about $700 (inflation adjusted) for a phone just as they did when it was first released. The only outliers are the SE, X, and Xs. The only reason phones seemed cheaper is because AT&T would subsidize your brand new iPhone 3G so you only paid a few hundred, not the…

> Everyone keeps mentioning that iPhones get more expensive, but when you look at it (inflation adjusted), that’s not really true.[

But your own source shows it's really true, and that the current cheaper, sub-flagship iPhone model (XR) is more expensive than the flagship models of previous generations up through the 5 and 5S, even adjusted for inflation, and that the only non-increases for the top-of-line flagship from one year to the next have been a few of the S models where the price dropped very slightly from the prior-year non-S equivalent.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by colejohnson66 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #64
colejohnson66 wrote: post #58

Everyone keeps mentioning that iPhones get more expensive, but when you look at it (inflation adjusted), that’s not really true.[0] Apple is still charging about $700 (inflation adjusted) for a phone just as they did when it was first released. The only outliers are the SE, X, and Xs. The only reason phones seemed cheaper is because AT&T would subsidize your brand new iPhone 3G so you only paid a few hundred, not the…

> Everyone keeps mentioning that iPhones get more expensive, but when you look at it (inflation adjusted), that’s not really true.[ But your own source shows it's really true, and that the current cheaper, sub-flagship iPhone model (XR) is more expensive than the flagship models of previous generations up through the 5 and 5S, even adjusted for inflation, and that the only non-increases for the top-of-line flagship f…

True. But my point was that their phones don’t go up in price like people think. Yes, if you compare $499 for a bottom tier 4GB iPhone 2G to $1449 for a top of the line 512GB iPhone XS Max, they’re more expensive. But the cost for the base model has hovered around the $700 mark when adjusted (save for the few outliers such as the 2G, SE, X, and XS)

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by dragonwriter »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #65
dragonwriter wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everyone keeps mentioning that iPhones get more expensive, but when you look at it (inflation adjusted), that’s not really true.[ But your own source shows it's really true, and that the current cheaper, sub-flagship iPhone model (XR) is more expensive than the flagship models of previous generations up through the 5 and 5S, even adjusted for inflation, and that the only non-increases for the top-of-line flagship f…

True. But my point was that their phones don’t go up in price like people think. Yes, if you compare $499 for a bottom tier 4GB iPhone 2G to $1449 for a top of the line 512GB iPhone XS Max, they’re more expensive. But the cost for the base model has hovered around the $700 mark when adjusted (save for the few outliers such as the 2G, SE, X, and XS)

> But the cost for the base model

If you mean the model with the number but no other modifier except sometimes “S”, that's true up through the iPhone 8, but that “base model” isn't the same place in the lineup in different generations.

That model is the only (and thus flagship) model prior through the 5, but the bottom of the line for the 6 through 8 (well, middle of the road for the 7 generation, since that's when the SE came out as a bargain basement offering.) And for the X (same year as 8) and XS, it's just not even approximately true anymore.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by scarface74 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #64
colejohnson66 wrote: post #58

Everyone keeps mentioning that iPhones get more expensive, but when you look at it (inflation adjusted), that’s not really true.[0] Apple is still charging about $700 (inflation adjusted) for a phone just as they did when it was first released. The only outliers are the SE, X, and Xs. The only reason phones seemed cheaper is because AT&T would subsidize your brand new iPhone 3G so you only paid a few hundred, not the…

> Everyone keeps mentioning that iPhones get more expensive, but when you look at it (inflation adjusted), that’s not really true.[ But your own source shows it's really true, and that the current cheaper, sub-flagship iPhone model (XR) is more expensive than the flagship models of previous generations up through the 5 and 5S, even adjusted for inflation, and that the only non-increases for the top-of-line flagship f…

But the thing is, not only is the 7/7 Plus ($475/$575) faster then most modern Android phones, even the discontinued 6s line is faster than all but the most expensive A droid phones as of last year - and they will still probably be supported longer then new Android phones.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by yhoneycomb »

bilbo0s wrote: post #61
yhoneycomb wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like rampant vote manipulation is going on here to promote anti-Sinoism.

In fairness, there's rampant vote manipulation to promote everything on HN. So the Sino-philic camp is doing it too. kind of unfair to single out the Sino-phobic camp in that regard. I mean, if you're in a room full of pregnant high school girls, it makes no sense to single one out as the "most" virgin. There are no virgins in the room.

Dude what are you talking about

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by scarface74 »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #7

I've never been a fan of Apple because of price. I liked the Google Nexus a lot, until the prices rose also. Now on a S9 from work. Fyi: I still prefer the bare Android experience and not the Samsung shell though

So you’ve never been a fan of the iPhone for the price but the Samsung Galaxy S9 costs the same as an iPhone 8 ($600)....
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