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500 days of Duolingo: What you can and can’t learn from a language app

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Re: 500 days of Duolingo: What you can and can’t learn from a language app

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I still remembered when i first time learn Russian.

I have no idea of Russian, and my dad told me that: /Ro-di-na/ means country.

I feel, OK, i can feel it. It's not too hard to me.

That's why, learning foreign language needs a way to tell user s that: It's not that hard, here's it is. Country is blah lbah, "what's your name" is blah blah,...

Re: 500 days of Duolingo: What you can and can’t learn from a language app

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Ha, I would mess up the example. :P You're completely right of course. I guess I assumed it applied to both genders, but I'm still picking up the gender of a lot of the words; that's not terribly intuitive.

(almost) All the nouns ending with "a" are feminine - la silla, la mesa, la casa, la luna, la montaña. (Notable exception: el agua). Also feminine all that end in "ción" such as: la nación, la configuración, la confirmación. Almost all the other nouns are masculine - el carro, el niño, el oso, el barrio, el avión, el camión, el árbol. Pretty sure with those 2 simple rules you will catch 90% of genders right.

poeta, nauta are two -a nouns that are masculine; sofa if you count a with accents

Re: 500 days of Duolingo: What you can and can’t learn from a language app

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Frustration with Duolingo and Memrise when learning German led me to build a tool that could generate sentences in German and English simultaneously, while obeying the grammar rules. In my opinion, the handful of hand crafted sentences they provide bundles way too much complexity together at random. In a traditional text book, you'd get a dozen questions that are very similar, changing one or two aspects of a sentenc…

You might be interested in Grammatical Framework[0]. You specify an abstract grammar, and then implement it for particular languages. The system automatically conjugates verbs based on context.

It's not terrible, though the documentation isn't great.

Used it at my research job to convert English sentences to modal logic formulae and it was an alright experience.

[0] https://www.grammaticalframework.org/

Re: 500 days of Duolingo: What you can and can’t learn from a language app

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My now 12.5 years old daughter started to learn English on Duolingo when she was around 9. She didn't complete the full course, but has around 100-150 days of lessons. It definitely helped her starting to understand the language. She loves Harry Potter so much that after reading the whole series in Romanian, she started to read the first volume in English. Didn't finish that either, but managed to read about 100 page…

>Duolingo might not teach you how to speak a language fluently, but it definitely can give you a headstart in learning one. That's a remarkable jump, to make that claim based on some rough assessment of a single person. I didn't have duolingo but I still outperformed most of my colleagues who were in extracurricular English. What can I conclude from that?

Is no discussion permitted except presentation of double-blind, appropriately sized studies?

Re: 500 days of Duolingo: What you can and can’t learn from a language app

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My now 12.5 years old daughter started to learn English on Duolingo when she was around 9. She didn't complete the full course, but has around 100-150 days of lessons. It definitely helped her starting to understand the language. She loves Harry Potter so much that after reading the whole series in Romanian, she started to read the first volume in English. Didn't finish that either, but managed to read about 100 page…

When I started learning more languages as an adult, I found that the biggest accelerator for me personally was likewise to read novels, even if they were way beyond my nominal skill level. The first 50-100 pages would be slow grinding, looking up almost everything in the dictionary, but then it would rapidly get faster and easier as I got used to common turns of phrases, idioms etc. And it was great for maintaining r…

That's a really interesting approach. I wonder if there are reading apps which have that dictionary integrated, but which still require a mouseover / tap to display it for a particular word (they are just using a translation language dictionary).

Re: 500 days of Duolingo: What you can and can’t learn from a language app

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My now 12.5 years old daughter started to learn English on Duolingo when she was around 9. She didn't complete the full course, but has around 100-150 days of lessons. It definitely helped her starting to understand the language. She loves Harry Potter so much that after reading the whole series in Romanian, she started to read the first volume in English. Didn't finish that either, but managed to read about 100 page…

This is compelling enough that I'm giving the app a try. Thank you and congratulations to your daughter.

Re: 500 days of Duolingo: What you can and can’t learn from a language app

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post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Duolingo might not teach you how to speak a language fluently, but it definitely can give you a headstart in learning one. That's a remarkable jump, to make that claim based on some rough assessment of a single person. I didn't have duolingo but I still outperformed most of my colleagues who were in extracurricular English. What can I conclude from that?

Is no discussion permitted except presentation of double-blind, appropriately sized studies?

If you re-read my comment carefully, you will find that I am presenting another anecdotal counterexample, so I don't see where your coming from with that comment.

Also, we can discuss, but we should be aware that we can draw little to no conclusions.

Re: 500 days of Duolingo: What you can and can’t learn from a language app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I started learning more languages as an adult, I found that the biggest accelerator for me personally was likewise to read novels, even if they were way beyond my nominal skill level. The first 50-100 pages would be slow grinding, looking up almost everything in the dictionary, but then it would rapidly get faster and easier as I got used to common turns of phrases, idioms etc. And it was great for maintaining r…

That's a really interesting approach. I wonder if there are reading apps which have that dictionary integrated, but which still require a mouseover / tap to display it for a particular word (they are just using a translation language dictionary).

Kindle does this, both on device and in app.

Re: 500 days of Duolingo: What you can and can’t learn from a language app

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Learning a language requires immersion. That's why classes with other students are more effective than flashcards. VR has potential to really make a difference here. Imagine you load a VR level. It's a busy outdoor market in Taipei. In your inventory you have some cash. NPCs with AI and chat logic are around you interacting. Your goal is to buy some bread and get to the subway. You see a vendor with some bread, but d…

This sounds amazing. I used Duolingo for about a year to learn Swedish. I got pretty good at reading it and hearing it, but never could speak it very well. Had I decided to learn French or Spanish I’d have a lot more opportunity to talk with other people, but I picked Swedish because it seemed interesting and easy for an English native to pick up. I would totally buy a VR rig just to do this.

Re: 500 days of Duolingo: What you can and can’t learn from a language app

#130

Learning a language requires immersion. That's why classes with other students are more effective than flashcards. VR has potential to really make a difference here. Imagine you load a VR level. It's a busy outdoor market in Taipei. In your inventory you have some cash. NPCs with AI and chat logic are around you interacting. Your goal is to buy some bread and get to the subway. You see a vendor with some bread, but d…

This sounds amazing. I used Duolingo for about a year to learn Swedish. I got pretty good at reading it and hearing it, but never could speak it very well. Had I decided to learn French or Spanish I’d have a lot more opportunity to talk with other people, but I picked Swedish because it seemed interesting and easy for an English native to pick up. I would totally buy a VR rig just to do this.

Literally did the same last year with Swedish. Kind of amazing how easy it was to pick up vs French.
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