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Re: Typing in Yiddish

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Oh my. I'm the maker of the only-cross platform Yiddish keyboard (well, macOS, Windows, Linux). I've made variants of QWERTY and the Israeli keyboard and they've been well received but life got in the way, they've suffered from bitrot, I had to take my site down,[0] people have asked me to put it back up and its been nagging me on my to do list for ages. This post has given me resolve to sort it out today! Also, I'd…

The archived images of your Yiddish keyboard look good.

Re: Typing in Yiddish

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Assimil have an excellent Yiddish language course. I would like to one day, be able to read Isaac Bashevis Singer in the original.

Haven't tried Assimil's course, but I'd recommend Lily Kahn's excellent Routledge guide, Colloquial Yiddish, which aside from being pedagogically excellent is very funny and had me laughing a lot.

https://www.amazon.com/Colloquial-Yiddish-Lily-Kahn/dp/04155...

There are also many courses on offer around the world. One of the great things about them is they tend to also pass down Yiddish culture too, not just the language. Happy to help you find one and get you on track to read IB Singer!

Re: Typing in Yiddish

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Oh my. I'm the maker of the only-cross platform Yiddish keyboard (well, macOS, Windows, Linux). I've made variants of QWERTY and the Israeli keyboard and they've been well received but life got in the way, they've suffered from bitrot, I had to take my site down,[0] people have asked me to put it back up and its been nagging me on my to do list for ages. This post has given me resolve to sort it out today! Also, I'd…

The archived images of your Yiddish keyboard look good.

Thanks for looking!

Apparently the Windows one never survived the transition to Windows 10, so I need to look at it again.

As for the macOS and Linux ones... I must admit I haven't actually tried them in a while... Assistance or testing really appreciated!

https://gitlab.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&snippets=&scope=&se...

Re: Typing in Yiddish

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> Many Israelis still find it offensive when foreigners ask them if Yiddish is spoken in Israel. It is not. Zionism tried so very hard to burry it and the culture it represented. People who hate the Hasidim? Ashkenazi Labour voters? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yiddish > In religious circles, it is the Ashkenazi Haredi Jews, particularly the Hasidic Jews and the Lithuanian yeshiva world (see Lithuanian Jews), who co…

Which are not Israeli... some are anti zionists in fact, but that’s not the issue. Equating American jews, Hasidic community or not, with being an Israeli is a common mistake and a real put off to most us.

> There are also active communities of Yiddish speakers in the US, and elsewhere.

Emphasis not in original. I was not equating Israeli Jews with other Jews. If you have a problem speak plainly. I’m aware Israelis and Jews in the diaspora are not the same, American Jews and Israelis in America are separate communities and leftist politics are normative among American Jews and a remnant of a dead ideology in Israel for two. American Jews think Israelis are rude and vulgar.

Re: Typing in Yiddish

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> Yiddish really has nothing to do with Hebrew other than the script and borrowed words which are forced into it. Sort of like Farsi and Arabic. Not really true. It's a fusion of Germanic, Slavic (and today English and Dutch) with Hebrew and Aramaic. One thing that's amazing about Yiddish is the ability to shift from a secular to sacred level within the same language. The language and the culture is a tension between…

To be accurate, Ashkenazi jews don’t speak Yiddish they speak German. There was a cultural disconnect between these two groups themselves. The term oestjuden for example was used pejoratively. It’s fascinating still to read, for example, Hertzl’s (Sephardi on his fathers’s side) commentary about this specific issue. It’s not just the language barrier of course, but secularization, education etc. The term “ashkenazi”…

Yiddish is at least as divergent from Hochdeutsch as Platt or Dutch. It has significant Hebrew, Aramaic, Slavic and Lithuanian derived vocabulary and the word order is significantly influenced by Slavic languages. It’s pretty easy to learn if you speak German but so is Danish.

Ashkenaz is not just a tradition, it’s an ethnic grouping, even if Galicians and Litvaks are historical sub groups.

Hasidim are not uneducated. They’re highly educated in something you do not, it seems, value, Jewish religious law. They do not live in a manner like they did in the Pale of Settlement. They’re much less economically active and far more integrated into the political community.

Re: Typing in Yiddish

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To be accurate, Ashkenazi jews don’t speak Yiddish they speak German. There was a cultural disconnect between these two groups themselves. The term oestjuden for example was used pejoratively. It’s fascinating still to read, for example, Hertzl’s (Sephardi on his fathers’s side) commentary about this specific issue. It’s not just the language barrier of course, but secularization, education etc. The term “ashkenazi”…

> It’s fascinating still to read, for example, Hertzl’s (Sephardi on his fathers’s side) commentary about this specific issue. I personally wouldn't take my source of knowledge about Yiddish from father of the movement whose whole ambition was to abandon the Yiddish world. > To be accurate, Ashkenazi jews don’t speak Yiddish they speak German. There was a cultural disconnect between these two groups themselves. The t…

Eastern-European, not Ashkenazi.

Ashkenazi is associated with German, secular Jews, emancipated and mostly assimilated already by the end of the 19th century.

Eastern-Europeans are neither of that and BTW, using religious study as "education" is misleading.

In the modern world Hasidim and Haredim are not very different from the Taliban (including their objection to education of girls). There are exceptions of course, but the general attitude is very hostile to the idea of modernity in every aspect.

Before you talk about "terroism" and the Taliban, allow me to remind you that Eastern-European Jews are very central to the fascist "revival" in Israel (some of their "leaders" are imports from the USA and Russia)... from Meir Khanh in the 80s, to Baruch Goldstein and the horribleness of whatever is growing in the Settlements in the occupied territories these days.

Re: Typing in Yiddish

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Yiddish really has nothing to do with Hebrew other than the script and borrowed words which are forced into it. Sort of like Farsi and Arabic. It’s unfortunate that because of the number advantage Eastern Europeans (and historical events) Jewish culture was completely altered. Authentic Jewish culture and traditions, which were dominant before the holocaust and are so much part of the Middle East and of course deeply…

> Many Israelis still find it offensive when foreigners ask them if Yiddish is spoken in Israel. It is not. Yiddish is spoken in Israel by significant parts of the Ashkenazi Ultra-Orthodox community. The number of speakers is probably in the low hundreds of thousands.

"Ashkenazi Ultra-Orthodox community" ... that's my point. They are not "Israeli" in the sense understood by this term today. They might as well be in Brooklin or some shtetl in Poland. Israel is not relveant for them in any meaningful way (excpet for the traditional "shnor").

Re: Typing in Yiddish

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> It’s fascinating still to read, for example, Hertzl’s (Sephardi on his fathers’s side) commentary about this specific issue. I personally wouldn't take my source of knowledge about Yiddish from father of the movement whose whole ambition was to abandon the Yiddish world. > To be accurate, Ashkenazi jews don’t speak Yiddish they speak German. There was a cultural disconnect between these two groups themselves. The t…

Eastern-European, not Ashkenazi. Ashkenazi is associated with German, secular Jews, emancipated and mostly assimilated already by the end of the 19th century. Eastern-Europeans are neither of that and BTW, using religious study as "education" is misleading. In the modern world Hasidim and Haredim are not very different from the Taliban (including their objection to education of girls). There are exceptions of course,…

Oy gevalt this escalated fast. I thought this was about typing in a language called Yiddish, and you're bringing the discussion to Kahan and Goldstein? Can you imagine if this was an article about typing in Pashtun and someone escalated it to talk about the Taliban? At the very least it's not very HN is it? (Ahem, moderators?)

My friend, I appreciate that from Israel you might identify Yiddish with Haredim (religious Jews) because they're the main ones who speak it in your country anymore, but what I am trying to say is that Yiddish != Haredim. Yiddish is a language and a culture that is a millenia old. It exceeds anything you might find in Mea Sharim. Clearly you are secular and anti-religious but stop projecting that onto Ashkenazi culture as a whole.

Here are some secular Yiddish things in Israel you might want to get check out.

https://international.tau.ac.il/Yiddish_Summer_Program

http://yiddish.co.il/en/about/

https://www.facebook.com/oydivision

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bE6uhKxmYU

Now quit being a nudnik and a nar and let me work on the keyboard. Onyva!

Re: Typing in Yiddish

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> Many Israelis still find it offensive when foreigners ask them if Yiddish is spoken in Israel. It is not. Yiddish is spoken in Israel by significant parts of the Ashkenazi Ultra-Orthodox community. The number of speakers is probably in the low hundreds of thousands.

"Ashkenazi Ultra-Orthodox community" ... that's my point. They are not "Israeli" in the sense understood by this term today. They might as well be in Brooklin or some shtetl in Poland. Israel is not relveant for them in any meaningful way (excpet for the traditional "shnor").

These are blatant racist tropes about religious Jews!

Re: Typing in Yiddish

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"Ashkenazi Ultra-Orthodox community" ... that's my point. They are not "Israeli" in the sense understood by this term today. They might as well be in Brooklin or some shtetl in Poland. Israel is not relveant for them in any meaningful way (excpet for the traditional "shnor").

These are blatant racist tropes about religious Jews!

At least you didn’t say antisemitic. Assuming there’s anything “Semitic” about Eastern Europeans Jews (as per the above linked research paper).

BTW talking of which, it’s always fun to go back and read Arthur Ruppin's ideas about race.

That’s an ashkenazi eugenist whom couple of institutes in Israel are named after, including the Ruppin academic center.

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