Well broken windows worked didn't it? NYC went from being the most dangerous city in the US to one of the safest.
Crime in NYC did drop precipitously, but it's not clear that broken windows policing was the cause. It's been studied and debated a lot, but as far as I can tell there isn't a clear consensus. Here are some sources: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory#New_York... * https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/13/why-did-crime-...
60 days in jail for not paying a $2.75 subway fare costs the city $22,000
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Re: 60 days in jail for not paying a $2.75 subway fare costs the city $22,000
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
That assumes people would pay the money otherwise. Which is almost certainly not true. The people who don’t pay likely don’t have the money in the first place or are drunk. It’s unlikely they would have paid any ways.
I like the French system of school lunches. Every student has a card to pay for lunch. The exact price charged is on a sliding scale depending on family income. One child has no idea what the other is charged, it's just a swipe of the card. You're also not allowed to bring your own lunch to eat in the cafeteria, but that system can work out okay when you have dedicated chefs at each school, and cheap good cheese (and…
I disagree with this assertion. If everyone knows the rules of the game, there will be plenty of guesswork as to how much whom is paying. "Just" a swipe of the card does not make social inequality evaporate. And, in my personal experience, this leads to more prejudice, not less. To me, this screams oversimplification by the state (or whoever is responsible for making school lunches "politically correct").
Re: 60 days in jail for not paying a $2.75 subway fare costs the city $22,000
#83Re: 60 days in jail for not paying a $2.75 subway fare costs the city $22,000
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
This wasn't a case of not having a valid ticket. This was a case of turnstile jumping. There is a big difference in intent there.
Could you please explain the difference in intent? Sounds to me like its someone trying to ride for free in both cases.
Jumping a turnstile isn't merely oversight; it's intentionally trying to avoid paying the fare.
Re: 60 days in jail for not paying a $2.75 subway fare costs the city $22,000
#85Putting someone in jail for breaking the law isn't about costs. Besides before you know it nobody pays for their ticket and then what? This is a nice deterrent for any other sad sack who thinks he is above the rules.
Why not fine them instead? Before you say, not everyone can afford XYZ fine. I would fully support a income based proportional fine system in the US. What i Don't support is putting someone in jail because they can't afford a lawyer.
With BART especially, you can watch the same person that jumped the gate light up a meth pipe in the back of the train car.
BART police will kick them off the train if they get caught but can't really do much else since the city doesn't really prosecute for drug offenses. If you look at the arrest records, you see the same people arrested day after day. They don't have any money.
I'd like to see a program that gives the option of jail or rehab+community service.
Re: 60 days in jail for not paying a $2.75 subway fare costs the city $22,000
#86$500*60 days +$2k =$32k
Re: 60 days in jail for not paying a $2.75 subway fare costs the city $22,000
#87We should just make the subway free. $2.75 doesn't come close to covering the cost of the ride, so why add a regressive tax on what amounts to a basic need?
I like this idea but think it has some practical problems. The money needs to come from somewhere. Normally I'd say just move it to some other form of existing taxation like income tax or property taxes. However, a reasonably large portion of regular subway users are people that live in New Jersey but commute to work in New York. You'd probably need to figure out a way to get money from these people as well. Potentia…
One option would be to tax the employers: https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/11/06/mountain...
Re: 60 days in jail for not paying a $2.75 subway fare costs the city $22,000
#88Can someone explain it to me, why in SF its treated as a minor ticket similar to overdue parking meters as apposed to NYC where people are jailed for not having a valid ticket ? Never thought NYC could be soo ridiculous.
NYPD has a long history of implementing the "broken windows" theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory#New_York...