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America’s Oldest Gun Maker Went Bankrupt: A Financial Engineering Mystery

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Well then our intuition is wrong. If your finances throughout your life are not in order, if you have high debt, regardless if it's because of medical bills, student loans or too big a car and house, you are in a weak position. What good does a nice car do if you worry about bills and if you try to avoid to look at the balance in your banking app? You don't always know how rich some folks are, but for the most part i…

If you die deep in dept you managed to cheat at life: your cost of living was higher than input. If you die rich you got cheated: you put more effort into life than you got out of it.

And there is the failure of so much modern thinking, laid out in black and white: your financial picture is your measure of success.

God I hate greed and the profit motive more than anything else in this whole wacky place.

I would love to die in average suburban comfort if it meant the billions I'd made had all gone to deserving causes and not to any flagrant lifestyle of my own.

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Historically, politically-related events do in fact play a large role in gun sales. There were lengthy and severe shortage of small arms and ammunition following both Obama's election and the Sandy Hook shooting, especially .22 caliber ammunition. [1] I don't think .22 ammunition is on the chopping block, but there's a general positive feedback loop, like a bank rush. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9313…

.22 ammunition uses rimfire priming, which requires unique machinery which as I recall no US company dared to buy more of, as mentioned in the Wikipedia article you linked to. Existing US 3 billion rounds per year + foreign imports couldn't keep up with the demand, which also seems to have included a lot of new gun owners, buying .22 models like their main guns or conversion kits for cheaper practice. Perhaps related…

Yeah. Unpredictability in demand yields unpredictability in supply, and vice versa.

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I did mean the percentage, but it does look like the absolute number of households owning guns has very slightly declined.

I imagine it's difficult to get good numbers on ownership though as the cross section of people who would not disclose firearm ownership to the government or polling agency would also be likely to own a firearm. This is compounded by the fact that firearms last upwards of 100 years with minimal maintenance and there are healthy secondary and black markets for them.

Nope. No guns at this here house. Not since the tragic boating accident of early 2019.

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Having been gainfully employed in corporate IT since I was 19 - and doing max contribution to my 401k every year since - I'm not "in touch" with the predicament of today's kids. Are they alright? Record employment numbers today. Wage growth up. We still have a talent shortage. Being (now) a business owner, my biggest complaint on the talent front isn't a lack of education in candidates, it's a lack of customer focus…

many want the trappings of success out of the gate and keep ignoring many of their bosses and superiors at work have a lot of time invested and earnings already. they also confuse what they seen TV for real life. tell, who doesn't have people in the lower rungs of their IT group with more expensive cars or outfits than you would feel comfortable with at twice their salary? then top off the people who eat out every da…

I tell this to my college age kids. One of them is off touring Europe right now. I asked her how she is paying for it (and pointed out that I've never been to Europe because I can't afford it). She says she is going into debt to do it, but it is okay because experiences are more important than money. She is studying anthropology and non-profit management. I've pointed out that there aren't very well paying jobs with those kind of degrees. She dismisses this and says she isn't in it for the money. How many other Gen-Z kids are also in it for the experiences and not the money? Judging by her and her friend group, she's not the only one. I tried teaching her financial prudence, but social media exerts more of an influence on her thinking than all my example and talk every could.

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The top 1% own 40% of the wealth and have realized 95% of the increase in wealth over the past decade: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_Unite... "More recently, in 2017, an Oxfam study found that eight rich people, six of them Americans, own as much combined wealth as half the human race."

The claim that the top 1% have realized 95% of the increase in wealth over the past decade is spurious. I think the original study[1] that claim came from only argued that was the case for percentages of income growth, which is not wealth, and only true from 2009 - 2012. I think it has been propagated since then as a different claim that the top 1% had 95% of the increase in all the wealth for the past decade. I don'…

You're absolutely right, I misread that statistic.

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I'd describe it as less "borderline fashion" (which any hobby has) more as legal caprice. Historical examples: * The Firearm Owners Protection Act banned machineguns manufactured before 1986. * The Federal Assault Weapons Ban banned certain semi-automatic weapons excluding those manufactured before 1994. Firearm hobbyists need decade-plus forward thinking predictions. What's today legal is a felony tomorrow, unless s…

I'm not sure I understand. You see popular revolvers selling well... nobody is buying those based on the law.

Revolvers are absolutely more popular in areas where ammunition capacity is restricted. 7 round .357 is a great option in areas where there is a 10 round max for magazines.

Places out east (NY, NJ) have extremely low limits for capacity, both in effect and proposed. When ammunition capacity is reduced, there is an incentive to go for a (typically) more reliable revolver. Many people would rather have say a 7-shot 357 S&W wheelgun vs a 9-round (maximum) semi-auto magazine.

I ankle-carried a .357 snub for most of my life, and it literally weighed less than the 5 rounds that it held.

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There's also the issue - perhaps - of market saturation. How many guns does one need? My pro-gun friends typically seem to have 2-3 but shy away from any more than that.

> My pro-gun friends typically seem to have 2-3 From my experience, that's sort of low. I never thought my neighbors had so many guns, until I started spending time at the shooting range. A common site is a trunk packed to the gills with firearms. The "gun guys" buy them like the "sneaker guys" buy Nikes. They usually won't talk about it, unless you express interest or go shooting with them.

The average American gun owner has between 5 and 6 firearms. I just took the class.

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Well then our intuition is wrong. If your finances throughout your life are not in order, if you have high debt, regardless if it's because of medical bills, student loans or too big a car and house, you are in a weak position. What good does a nice car do if you worry about bills and if you try to avoid to look at the balance in your banking app? You don't always know how rich some folks are, but for the most part i…

If you die deep in dept you managed to cheat at life: your cost of living was higher than input. If you die rich you got cheated: you put more effort into life than you got out of it.

If you died rich and have a family to leave the wealth to and the state isn't set up to steal your wealth by taxing you a second time, you've won at life. A big part of life is spreading your genes and making sure that your offspring are well set up to continue spreading your genes. This either requires heirs and wealth at death or at least making sure you transfer wealth to your heirs before you die.

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> Because private-equity firms appear frequently as villains in the press, many people assume that they cater mostly to the superrich, earning high returns on investments for billionaire clients. They do. But by far the most important piece of their business — 48 percent, according to the data-analytics firm Preqin — is investing capital for American pension funds. This doesn't get mentioned often enough when talking…

>most of the capital behind all of the current economic and social system is directly or indirectly held by part of the general populace itself.

As the system is designed, it doesn't matter so much who's money it is, it's who controls it and collects fees from steering it.

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