I really like the idea of high deductible plans. The idea for me is that insurance shouldn't cover regular costs that most people pay every year. Insurance should just be for unusual events, like car insurance is only used if you have an accident. So now I got a $2k bill from ER for something that wasn't really an emergency. It makes me think carefully about next time this happens where before the cost didn't really…
Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible Health Plans
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Re: Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible Health Plans
#42I really like the idea of high deductible plans. The idea for me is that insurance shouldn't cover regular costs that most people pay every year. Insurance should just be for unusual events, like car insurance is only used if you have an accident. So now I got a $2k bill from ER for something that wasn't really an emergency. It makes me think carefully about next time this happens where before the cost didn't really…
I don't think that necessarily leads to logical behavior as people are, not logical, not able to make these types of decisions knowledgeably.
Also let's be clear the situations we hear about with large ER bills and large volumes of non emergencies there are people who can't pay anyway.
I don't doubt the system works for you and you're a good participant, but i don't know if it works for a society as a whole.
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#43I really like the idea of high deductible plans. The idea for me is that insurance shouldn't cover regular costs that most people pay every year. Insurance should just be for unusual events, like car insurance is only used if you have an accident. So now I got a $2k bill from ER for something that wasn't really an emergency. It makes me think carefully about next time this happens where before the cost didn't really…
Then I'd like to know how many people have died because they didn't go to the ER for something that really was an emergency.
My guess would be that the latter greatly outweighs the former. And I'd follow up that guess with a wager that a large percentage of those people failed to go to the ER because they were worried about the cost.
If that's the kind of decision that high-deductible health care encourages, I don't think it's worth it.
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#44You can argue that the ACA improved the healthcare system overall. But it's been tough for people who were already covered by employer insurance. I think people fail to appreciate that prior to the ACA, when the healthcare system worked, it actually worked really well. I got very sick at the age of 20 while I was still on my parents very modest insurance (pre-ACA). Within 48 hours I had an appointment at the best onc…
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Re: Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible Health Plans
#45The product wasn't getting traction based on employer's wanting to provide such a service to their employees, so the sales pitch was changed. The sales pitch became, "You can save your company money by moving your employees to High Deductible Health Plans. Our product presents data that encourages employees to choose HDHPs over other plans." I'm not sure if that is currently the sales pitch, but it was the primary one for two-ish years. Our customer base is now non-trivial.
I've overheard some of the conversations as to how the "representative cohort" is determined and about our data sources. It wouldn't pass a peer review. Additionally, in the past we have re-worked the numbers because our customer didn't like the results. That is, feedback from the company, not the company's employees. They did, after all, hire us to get their employees to move to a HDHP.
And to top it off, the product hasn't been a great revenue source. So we're effectively compromising real people's health care coverage, for our company's business interests, and it hasn't even been that profitable.
Our health insurance plan at this company is a HDHP...
Re: Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible Health Plans
#46High-deductible health plans were always designed to benefit employers. My company switched us to one with a big PR campaign highlighting how everything would be better (contributions to HSA - free money!). The only "advantage" is that companies have to pay smaller premiums and employees are greatly discouraged from getting care due to high costs. Funny enough, employers are rethinking this now since employees not ge…
Obamacare also added an extra tax on the best health insurance. The problem when no one has to pay anything is that people don't care about price. > an annual 40% excise tax on plans with annual premiums exceeding $10,800 for individuals or $29,500 for a family starting in 2020 (delayed further) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_insurance_plan
Re: Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible Health Plans
#47I really like the idea of high deductible plans. The idea for me is that insurance shouldn't cover regular costs that most people pay every year. Insurance should just be for unusual events, like car insurance is only used if you have an accident. So now I got a $2k bill from ER for something that wasn't really an emergency. It makes me think carefully about next time this happens where before the cost didn't really…
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#48But general health care—the practice of keeping people healthy, rather than fixing them when ill—is not suited to the insurance model, and the insurance industry is too powerful to let control who gets which treatment.
A proper model pays the actual healthcare provider to keep you healthy on the regular, and then it costs you nothing in the event of sickness or emergency (like you need more stress at that moment).
The very idea of mutual indemnity is out the window with modern insurance, it's all about squeezing stats for margins, at which point there is not real mutuality, only competing risk profiles. Of course, a group of people might want to pool for emergencies, or even general health, but is there any benefit to the current scale of insurers? It only makes them more powerful.
Re: Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible Health Plans
#49High-deductible health plans were always designed to benefit employers. My company switched us to one with a big PR campaign highlighting how everything would be better (contributions to HSA - free money!). The only "advantage" is that companies have to pay smaller premiums and employees are greatly discouraged from getting care due to high costs. Funny enough, employers are rethinking this now since employees not ge…
In principle the advantage is that employees are greatly discouraged from paying too much for care. If the insurance pays for everything then what do you care if your doctor is charging $1000 for a physical instead of $50? If you're paying out of pocket, now you care.
The problem is we also have a lack of price transparency, so it's arduous to actually determine the price you'll be charged for routine care and avoid the places who are overcharging, which correspondingly becomes nearly everyone. The states would do everyone a favor to pass and enforce some price transparency laws.
And the advantage of lower premiums is that it allows you to receive that money. If your employer is raising your plan's deductible and giving the balance saved in premiums to you, that's the advantage -- you get the money. If they're not, go ask for a raise or find another employer who will pay you more, in the same way you would if they lowered your compensation in any other way.
Re: Employees Start to Feel the Squeeze of High-Deductible Health Plans
#50I really like the idea of high deductible plans. The idea for me is that insurance shouldn't cover regular costs that most people pay every year. Insurance should just be for unusual events, like car insurance is only used if you have an accident. So now I got a $2k bill from ER for something that wasn't really an emergency. It makes me think carefully about next time this happens where before the cost didn't really…
Because emergency care is more expensive, this is worse for everybody in the long run, except for profitable hospitals and insurance companies who enjoy the increased revenues.