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You are correct; sad that most people don't know this.
I'm not sure that's true everywhere, but not for long many places (eg California, Washington). Casual article on it: https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/how-to-get-on-a-pla...
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You are correct; sad that most people don't know this.
Why should they? The only time it would be relevant is if you forgot your ID, and if you want to rent a car or hotel at your destination that might be a problem there as well. Knowing the TSA, I bet this adds at least an hour to the trip as you are begrudgingly walked to some back room and sit there for 20 minutes while someone is pulling up your file.
The inspection is not a big deal and they are prepared for this situation. It’s a shame that the laws that control this are classified (cf Gilmore v Gonzalez) so we can’t know what the actual rules are.
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Why should they? The only time it would be relevant is if you forgot your ID, and if you want to rent a car or hotel at your destination that might be a problem there as well. Knowing the TSA, I bet this adds at least an hour to the trip as you are begrudgingly walked to some back room and sit there for 20 minutes while someone is pulling up your file.
My one experience with losing an ID was that there was no real issue although it took 15 minutes or so to do a more thorough check. It was very professional. The Travelodge at the other end was a bigger deal though I was eventually able to check in there. ADDED: It appears that as of Oct 1 2020, this sort of exception will no longer be possible.
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In my opinion it's a really bad idea to foster an attitude of, "if you're not with us then you're against us." Some people don't mind these kinds of surveillance. You might staunchly disagree but you have to accept that it's a valid position.
Children don't like getting vaccines either. But guess what? You have to protect stupid people from themselves.
I don't know of anyone who likes sticking needles in themselves (aside from addicts, but that's another story), only those who understand the value of what's in them (I suppose that addicts would fall into that category, too.)
I distinctly remember my mom explaining why I was about to get stabbed with needles when I was four. I didn't mind.
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To the parent's point, though, passports ARE checked at the point you exit the Schengen area, whereas they're generally not when you leave the US.
They are checked by the foreign country though, not by the country you're leaving. I have not crossed that many non-Schengen land borders, but as far as I remember it was the same every time, when going from France to England through the channel, Belgium to England by train, France to Switzerland (before Switzerland joined Schengen) and Canada to the US.
I have been to a few airports where you explicitly clear US customs at the departing airport before leaving for the US — Vancouver, BC and Dublin Shannon come to mind.
If you've overstayed your automatic 90-day Schengen area travel visa, a common hack for backpackers and such is to intentionally leave the Schengen area from someplace like France that's generally less strict about counting exact days than many other EU countries.
To be fair, I don't have much experience flying from the Schengen area to non-Schengen area non-US countries. It's totally possible this is all rigamarole that the US government pressures other countries to do.
I can bet that they have a copy of all photos on their servers. No company will be foolish enough to build a business/service that relies on another entity, much so a government organization that is not known for building highly scalable services. This is a crucial part of their process and any delays will impact their bottom line. So they have all faces with them and so does every other company. Also, just the face…
It's an airline operating at an airport. That operation is already inseparably interwoven with number of other organizations - including the government - just to move a tube full of people from point A to B.
>much so a government organization that is not known for building highly scalable services
In that case, it's good for them that they have such a highly predictable load target. Airports have a fixed number of gates and a maximum number of planes ATC can smoothly get into the air in an hour. There's your upper bound. Flight plans and ticket sales set the normal band and refine the performance target. Load can be well understood, and they have lots of visibility into future demand changes.
>This is a crucial part of their process
It's a pilot program. As much as I doubt they'd let this system ever be a single point of failure under normal operation, an experimental system certainly has a fallback plan for boarding.
It's kind of surprising that we're still surprised by this.
It's good that we are surprised. The total surveillance system is being normalized far too quickly. At this rate, in 10 years we will see even more "conveniences" like for example automatic face id in shops and on websites that pull your payment information and can authorize payments from your card/account - with no setup. People will say "Kinda spooky how they can just take my money automatically but it's convenient…
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Yeah, I agree with you about law enforcement, particularly selective law enforcement. It is indeed a dangerous game to play, and while definitely a left-leaning individual I just can't get behind the whole "abolish ICE" thing. I do think that immigration laws in the US are absurdly strict and I have a hard time buying the "America's Full" argument. That said, while laws exist on the books they should be enforced. I w…
> I just can't get behind the whole "abolish ICE" thing. Not saying one way or another, but the argument is that ICE was only formed 16 years ago and that the U.S. was not 'overrun' before then. The Border Patrol etc. would still remain, just the Stasi-like tactics of removing people from their homes in the middle of the night and holding people in cages would disappear. At least that's how I've heard the argument.
Saying "only formed 16 years ago" is only right among the "well, actually" crowd.
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Not the person you are asking, but as someone who shares a similar feeling of distrust to authority, I'll provide you with my point of view: It's not just the picture, it's the databases and the veracity of mass data base mining that can come from it. To better explain: Right now powerful entities have files on me. My actives. And yours. The collection, use and sharing of these files between these powerful entities v…
They aren’t violating your rights. At least not in an obvious way. The government’s use of your photo ID is not controllable with the non-existent privacy law the US has not enacted. However your concern about building a face database is valid. Note that China somehow can do it with only your Wechat profile. Maybe they are better at ML than the US. They are already automatically fining jaywalkers by face ID. And I as…
Easy to say. How about evidence. I offer all the evidence from Snowden and other whistle blowers to beg the contrary.
To me, it's very obvious unless you are intentionally not wanting to see it.
Notice I said if only in intent, I'm not here to split hairs on legalese. Intent in things like the Fourth Amendment to me is very clear.
I live in an area where when I go for weekend drives, I have to stop at border patrol check points where I am forced to stop and answer officer's questions. I'm not even traveling between states and I'm over 50 miles from the boarder in those points.
Trust me, I understand the legalese they use to justify it. They define a border zone that I think goes a hundred or two miles in land, which means it covers something like 70% of major American metro areas and allows the gov to basically conduct illegal searches by creating a loop hole.
But that is the point. My rights are routinely violated with impunity. People who have stood up to this get literally crushed. Clear whistle blowers are declared spies. It's them working to undermine my rights. Rights that people literally died so I could have. I think it's wrong to let those rights go. It's why I support things like the Electronic Frontier Foundation.