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BBC admits iPlayer has lost streaming fight with Netflix

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Re: BBC admits iPlayer has lost streaming fight with Netflix

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But ... why should the Beeb be the one owning the streaming app on my phone. I (re)watch Doctor Who episodes on Netflix (or amazon or whatever). I dont care what device I watch on, I just want to watch content I want. Which is kind of the point. (Keep) making great content. Worry less about the streaming client.

netflix/amazon aren't streaming clients, they are content producers. Most of the stuff on netflix and prime now seems to be made by them.

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If it is in the publics best interest for the BBC to own the rights then that can be arranged Is it in the public interest? What is the benefit to the public of the BBC spending the money necessary to reclaim the rights to their old content? I can't think of anything. The shows that have any value (eg Dr Who) have already commericialized. Everything else ... why bother? The obvious point is that it'd be nice to watch…

I'd happily pay to get access to the full BBC catalogue - in fact I'd probably find more to watch there than I do on Netflix & Amazon (which I already subscribe to).

Lots of people say that. I imagine the BBC use data from things like https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/categories/archive/ to demonstrate that most people are not viewing the archive content that is available already, so people's claims that they'd pay are not backed up by evidence.

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Personally I kind of agree. Other than storage and traffic considerations I cannot see why the entire BBC archive is not available online. It seems stupid to me that we have literally 50+ years of content, documentaries, panel shows, etc. Which could all easily be put online as they are the BBC's content and have been paid for by the British people already. I understand that this might be overkill but I definitely fi…

>I definitely find myself wanting to watch older episodes of things like would I lie to you or Rhod Gilbert's work experience or HIGNFY or some other show which disappeared long ago for no real reason.

You can watch selected re-runs from an archive of older content on Dave[1].

>If the BBC can solve that they have my business and I'm sure a lot of overseas business too

I am not sure what you mean by they have my business ─ BBC is not based on a subscription model. It is funded by a licence fee, which is more or less mandatory, unless you can prove otherwise e.g. you don't watch live broadcast etc.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_(TV_channel)

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post #52

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I'd happily pay to get access to the full BBC catalogue - in fact I'd probably find more to watch there than I do on Netflix & Amazon (which I already subscribe to).

Lots of people say that. I imagine the BBC use data from things like https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/categories/archive/ to demonstrate that most people are not viewing the archive content that is available already, so people's claims that they'd pay are not backed up by evidence.

I wonder if they collect statistics of people who spot that there are some old 'Horizons' on iPlayer and then get seriously disappointed at the meagre selection available.

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I can't work out the politics that wont let the BBC let us keep watching what we've already paid for, but will let them charge for it again via Britbox. Surely Britbox is still going to be competing with ITV and Channel 4? The contortions trying to marry up public service broadcasting and on demand are getting increasingly strained. A rethink is unfortunately becoming necessary.

It’s a joint venture with ITV and AMC.

Ok after further reading.

Britbox currently airs in America, and is a joint venture between the BBC and ITV.

Britbox are planning to launch in the UK with ITV, and possibly Channel 4.

It still doesn't quite allay my concerns. The whole point of not allowing the BBC to broadcast episodes for a year is to stop it dominating the UK media landscape. Removing most (by some measures) competition doesn't seem to solve that.

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* Every Dr Who, ever. * Hitch Hiker's Guide. * All of Blake's 7. And that's without trying. There's definitely a business there but the BBC just aren't chasing it.

When i was young I used to record Jools Holland on VCR and make mix tapes of individual tracks that I enjoyed, it was great fun and made for relatively unique audio. I'd love to be able to just buy the digital audio (heck, the videos, I can strip the audio out) on a track by track basis. They never made it available, so I can't vOv

I would love for them to spin out Later...with Jools Holland and some of the earlier stuff and place it on BBC Four, like they are doing with their curated TOTP catalogue. I did find a tracklist on Spotify a while ago, which had tracks from each episode; alas, it is no more.

For those who don't know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Later..._with_Jools_Holland

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post #56

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It’s a joint venture with ITV and AMC.

Ok after further reading. Britbox currently airs in America, and is a joint venture between the BBC and ITV. Britbox are planning to launch in the UK with ITV, and possibly Channel 4. It still doesn't quite allay my concerns. The whole point of not allowing the BBC to broadcast episodes for a year is to stop it dominating the UK media landscape. Removing most (by some measures) competition doesn't seem to solve that.

Sure, that makes sense. I was just pointing out why ITV specifically doesn’t mind: they’re getting the money!

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I'm not sure that's ever been true. You need a licence to watch any broadcast TV because it also pays for the infrastructure the other channels use.

I think you may have misunderstood me. Broadcast TV does indeed require a license, but catch-up services are not broadcast TV, and I’m referring to that. To quote from the TV licensing website: ””” Do I need a TV Licence for all on demand programmes? No. You don’t need a licence if you only ever watch on demand or catch up programmes on services other than BBC iPlayer* (and you also never watch live TV programmes on…

My mistake indeed, thanks for clearing that up.

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Personally I kind of agree. Other than storage and traffic considerations I cannot see why the entire BBC archive is not available online. It seems stupid to me that we have literally 50+ years of content, documentaries, panel shows, etc. Which could all easily be put online as they are the BBC's content and have been paid for by the British people already. I understand that this might be overkill but I definitely fi…

>I definitely find myself wanting to watch older episodes of things like would I lie to you or Rhod Gilbert's work experience or HIGNFY or some other show which disappeared long ago for no real reason. You can watch selected re-runs from an archive of older content on Dave[1]. >If the BBC can solve that they have my business and I'm sure a lot of overseas business too I am not sure what you mean by they have my busin…

>If the BBC can solve that they have my business and I'm sure a lot of overseas business too

I meant that there's currently a market gap for a streaming service with a massive (persistent being key) catalogue of data. Netflix and others have a hodgepodge of TV/movies available, which come and go. I was suggesting that the beeb keep the service as it is in the UK, add the archive content, then release a subscription service overseas with access to the full range of shows. Having that amount of money coming into the UK would do nothing but good IMO.

I've seen some replies from others as to OFCOM regulations so it seems this is just a pipe dream at the moment.

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