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Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by ben_w »

jjjensen90 wrote: post #70
Tharkun wrote: post #68

I'm sure this could have applications in porn as well. Want to cater to someone's specific kink? Just generate it.

I do wonder if we'll ever reach a liberal enough society to be OK with machine-generated porn of all types, especially those taboo or illegal now (child pornography, sadism, zoophilia, etc). I could foresee it being banned before it even gets commercialized, which in my opinion would be unfortunate because I could see it as the methadone of porn to the "real stuff's" heroin.

Ditto with 3D printed flesh robots of each of the above. Bonus question: what about an adult engaging in self-insert roleplay of any of the above by remote controlling an avatar (virtual or physical) with a 3D headset? I think this question will stop being theoretical before 2030.

I think Denmark briefly allowed “all” pornography. Zoo was legal there until a few years ago, even had commercial production.

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by yoavm »

jjjensen90 wrote: post #70
Tharkun wrote: post #68

I'm sure this could have applications in porn as well. Want to cater to someone's specific kink? Just generate it.

I do wonder if we'll ever reach a liberal enough society to be OK with machine-generated porn of all types, especially those taboo or illegal now (child pornography, sadism, zoophilia, etc). I could foresee it being banned before it even gets commercialized, which in my opinion would be unfortunate because I could see it as the methadone of porn to the "real stuff's" heroin.

I believe the moral question was asked much before AI brought realistic looking characters to the world. See this for example: https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/14/us/child-pornography-writ...

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by caprese »

yibg wrote: post #72
jjjensen90 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do wonder if we'll ever reach a liberal enough society to be OK with machine-generated porn of all types, especially those taboo or illegal now (child pornography, sadism, zoophilia, etc). I could foresee it being banned before it even gets commercialized, which in my opinion would be unfortunate because I could see it as the methadone of porn to the "real stuff's" heroin.

Interesting moral implications. Should e.g. child porn still be illegal if no child is harmed? I think most people's natural reaction would be of course it should be illegal, it's child porn!

In the US there is a 1st amendment exception for obscenity under which these kind of prohibitions leverage.

Obscenity itself requires an average expectation of what obscenity is, otherwise the exception dissipates entirely.

It is therefore easy for me to see that the technological availability of this would change it. there would be attempts by executive branch and legislature that are obliged to simply say something “should” be illegal, and a court wouldnt be able to agree with that on constitutional grounds

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by radcon »

areoform wrote: post #24

While AI models might replace catalogue models for small labels that are starting out (maybe) and for e-commerce companies (definitely). I highly doubt it that they will replace real models for large companies and fashion boutiques now or ever. Because what people (women and men) are buying is aspiration wrapped in dead plant fibers. The reason why I buy a dress from Hervé Leger is because I want to look like old sch…

> Because what people (women and men) are buying is aspiration wrapped in dead plant fibers.

I suppose it's possible that there's a man out there somewhere who thinks like this, but I've never met him and this is the first time I've heard of him.

If anything, most men probably prefer the opposite -- clothing that hasn't been worn by some obnoxious socialite.

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by echelon »

colllectorof wrote: post #79
gdubs wrote: post #61

It’s fascinating how in the 80s and 90s we imagined virtual worlds being populated by 3D graphics built on modeled / digitized wireframes — and then this technology comes out of nowhere in the past decade. The holodeck seemed so implausible in its ability to just synthesize things. Doesn’t seem so implausible anymore. “Computer: Sherlock Holmes, in his study, speaking with Albert Einstein.”

Stop peddling meaningless hype. Current 3D rendering technology is lightyears ahead[1] of these AI toys and you can trivially parametrize it. Many games already do. So if you want to generate people, you already can do that while having full control, instead of some glitchy sliders. Something genuinely useful might, perhaps, be achieved by applying GANs to parameters of those 3D models to allow easier customization,…

> Stop peddling meaningless hype.

Your comment has value, but your tone is unnecessarily harsh. Would you talk to a coworker like this?

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by echelon »

MR4D wrote: post #54
areoform wrote: post #24

While AI models might replace catalogue models for small labels that are starting out (maybe) and for e-commerce companies (definitely). I highly doubt it that they will replace real models for large companies and fashion boutiques now or ever. Because what people (women and men) are buying is aspiration wrapped in dead plant fibers. The reason why I buy a dress from Hervé Leger is because I want to look like old sch…

>> brands will hire models to appeal to what’s most human; sexy, sexy crazy-making envy You’re assuming that brands won’t create their own personas that drive that same result. In fact, this has already happened - the best known one isn’t even a human - he’s a mouse, and millions of people buy t-shirts and other things with his picture on them. The company that owns him is rather large, and very good at appealing to…

I don't know that we'll go full-tilt computer generated. The truth is probably somewhere between, where some companies and brands retain humans as a more honest and authentic way to connect with consumers. Then you'll also see ML models that go far into the spectrum of being impossibly perfect and inhuman.

It's honestly exciting to imagine where we'll be in twenty years. I don't think we'll resent it - it's got fascinating artistic potential and will probably be quite liberating to finally realize that the things we strive for are artificially distilled.

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by whytaka »

ekianjo wrote: post #60
whytaka wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another vote for agree and disagree. Take for example Japan - the land of anime girls on every piece of advertising. How much would the demand for human models expand if illustrated characters were not an alternative? There's a scarcity in the type of human beauty that's sought after by the fashion industry. What if that scarcity didn't exist? If people grow up with this new economic model of beauty and scarcity, may…

No, Japan does not use anime girls for every piece of advertising. Have you ever set foot in the country?

I am Japanese. It was hyperbolic but not that much.

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by whytaka »

asutekku wrote: post #80
whytaka wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another vote for agree and disagree. Take for example Japan - the land of anime girls on every piece of advertising. How much would the demand for human models expand if illustrated characters were not an alternative? There's a scarcity in the type of human beauty that's sought after by the fashion industry. What if that scarcity didn't exist? If people grow up with this new economic model of beauty and scarcity, may…

I’m posting this message from a local train in rural japan. The sides are plastered with ads but nowhere where i look at can i see anime girls. While i know few instances where they exist, that’s just not the reality in japan. Akihabara is as much of a japan as Silicon Valley is Usa. At certain level yes but on the other hand not at all.

I am Japanese. It was hyperbolic but not that much.

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by ajnin »

acconrad wrote: post #4

would this mean that outside of runway models, you wouldn't need models to showcase your clothing anymore since you can just "wrap" your clothes over these AI humans?

Some brands that sell lots of variants of similar items, like t-shirt stores, already do something close : they take a few shots of models in various poses, and then somehow "map" the pattern and color of the piece of clothing on those few shots, so really they need a model once and then they can do without.
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