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Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

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Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

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This makes me think of this Reddit meme I saw in the Gaming section, the gist of it: if you mentioned some specific chinese massacre in a game with chinese players, they would all leave the game.

This kind of solves PUBG cheating problem, thank you! Will try next time.

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#122
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's… one of the more interesting things I've read today.

The parent referred to "Chinese commenters" (and "ward off" was bad enough), but your comment seems to imply that they're all "CCP astroturfers". That's against the site guidelines. Would you mind reviewing them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Obviously there are real issues to be discussed here, but to do so well means we have to get good at not doing things that kill real discussion, and denigrati…

I don’t know what the comment to which you’ve replied said originally, but it’s true that China pays thousands of people to astroturf comments on the Internet. This fact has been established by the international press and also by the Chinese government. Furthermore, people in China aren’t stupid, and many are aware of this phenomenon as it is quite prevalent on the domestic Chinese Internet (Weibo, WeChat, etc).

Are all positive comments about China made by the “wumao army?” Of course not. Are many such comments astroturfed (Edit for clarification: speaking of the broader Internet)? Absolutely. Would it be racist to point out the existence of the large and well-funded groups paid to make such comments? I don’t think so.

Obviously, this isn’t a cudgel to be used against any pro-Chinese government comment or argument. “Wumao” is often employed as a slur. But it is 100% a real phenomenon.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7783640.stm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Water_Army

https://youtu.be/yCnnPf2OnHo

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

#123

This has already been happening in India under the current govt Any Anti PM post gets the Whatsapp admin arrested under National Security Act! Of course, there must be some stupid party supporter who probably had to file a case or something. This will be worse as it'll be automatic as China MITM's everything

>> "Any" Anti PM post gets the Whatsapp admin arrested under National Security Act!

This is blatantly false. Singling out "Anti-PM" posts and demonizing only BJP (in your latter comment) is clearly biased.

Here are the instances of people being booked for "remarks" in Social media against the opposition leader Rahul Gandhi and Opposition:

[1] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/case-against-shimla-man-for-...

[2]https://www.news18.com/news/india/mp-man-posts-photo-of-rahu...

[3] https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/mahesh-vikram-hegde-arrested...

There is nothing "automatic" about it. All such charges happen after off-line complaints in the police station by either party.

Rather if you would say, based on police complaints on violating Indian Penal Code, people are booked or arrested - that'll be a more reasonable statement - rather than coming out with blanket statements.

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#124

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Can you list those methods of combating misinformation? Not trying to be confrontational, just curios to know as I don't know of many and haven't done the research.

Answering for GP: 1. Education (how to form solid arguments and how to view topics from multiple sides) 2. Plurifomity. By combining people from different social-economic groups. Basically an anti divide and conquer which state sponsored media have driven us towards. 3. Acceptance. Everyone picks their fruits of freedom of speech. Just because the fruits of one are the pains of others does not mean we should throw th…

This is impossibly naive. Large social media companies are highly incentivised to derail any of these utopian efforts.

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#125
post #32

In the UK you can be arrested for teaching your girlfriend's pug to heil as a joke.

While the prosecution was dumb (it was clearly a joke), he did turn out to be a huge right wing racist anyway

Should that be something to arrest someone for, though?

I’ve seen his bizarre case being used by the far right as an example of why they’re correct and various conspiracies are against them.

And let’s be real, being afraid of a pug to the point you arrest someone? Come on. The government caring about stuff like that is taking the Streisand effect to new levels. It’s even more bizarre when supporters of those laws condemn China. It’s the same policy, just different politics.

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

#126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you list those methods of combating misinformation? Not trying to be confrontational, just curios to know as I don't know of many and haven't done the research.

Answering for GP: 1. Education (how to form solid arguments and how to view topics from multiple sides) 2. Plurifomity. By combining people from different social-economic groups. Basically an anti divide and conquer which state sponsored media have driven us towards. 3. Acceptance. Everyone picks their fruits of freedom of speech. Just because the fruits of one are the pains of others does not mean we should throw th…

The "problem" with your #2 is that only one side wants that.

The other side fears losing their privilege/capital/power/reputation and cares not a whit for those they consider sub-human.

Putting some foxes into the henhouse won't go well for the hens when it's dinner time.

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#127
post #22

This makes me think of this Reddit meme I saw in the Gaming section, the gist of it: if you mentioned some specific chinese massacre in a game with chinese players, they would all leave the game.

There is a large copy-paste block with English and Chinese spellings of “Tibet, Xinjiang Autonomous Region, Tiananmen Square Massacre 1989” that also frequently gets posted on sites like 4chan and YouTube to ward off Chinese commenters. I imagine it’s not very effective, however, since these sites are blocked on the Chinese Internet, so any Chinese users would by default be posting via an encrypted VPN.

For the curious, here is a Reddit post with the copy-paste text and more context:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/b3im9t/whats_...

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

#128
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgive my naivety, but aren’t Whatsapp messages encrypted? If so, how can the authorities see what’s written in them?

I thought only 1-to-1 messages were encrypted and group chat wasn't.

Whatsapp does E2E for groups, which have upto 256 members. A Matrix dev said they scaled E2E to groups with thousands.

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

#129
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the prosecution was dumb (it was clearly a joke), he did turn out to be a huge right wing racist anyway

Is it an American thing to not care if someone is a “______” when talking about their protected rights?

Yes, see "Indians", "Africans" etc

Re: Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"

#130
post #2

This is why full end to end encryption is required.

Technology always loses to policy when the government has a monopoly on force.

No government does. There are power vacuums and blind spots everywhere. That's why you taking a bit of power in your hands works.
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