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Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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> Platforms like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter are basically monopolies Monopolies of what, exactly? I admit to sometimes looking at entertaining videos on youtube. About an hour or maximum two hours a week worth. I'm not sure what you're suggesting that facebook and twitter are monopolizing. I haven't used the former in years and the latter just about ever -- aside from maybe five tweets over the course of twitter'…

> Monopolies of what, exactly? In many smaller countries Facebook is nearly synonymous with the internet itself.

Don't even have to be "smaller". Many have huge populations. They're just less developed than the likes of the US.

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>These people did a lot of damage. A lot. All in the name of free speech. It's pretty tiring hearing people complaining about banning the right of movement. I mean, why do you even need a right about being equal in front of the law? Bigger people contribute more and being free costs money anyways, why does it matter if someone owns you? Just be happy you were allowed to think this long for yourself! And stop being so…

What you are saying is wrong on so many levels. Be grateful that I'm not just replying with a 'scre w you' or 'put something in your mouth', cos that's what you deserve.

Please don't post unsubstantive comments here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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It’s only unfortunate that it took social networks this long to ban their toxic behavior and talk. These people did a lot of damage. A lot. All in the name of free speech. And to those saying, just because Facebook can, doesn’t mean they should. These people had the same freedom. Just because they can, they shouldn’t. But they chose hatred. And here we are. You reap what you sow. Facebook doesn’t owe them anything. E…

>These people did a lot of damage. A lot. All in the name of free speech. It's pretty tiring hearing people complaining about banning the right of movement. I mean, why do you even need a right about being equal in front of the law? Bigger people contribute more and being free costs money anyways, why does it matter if someone owns you? Just be happy you were allowed to think this long for yourself! And stop being so…

Please don't post flamewar comments here.

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Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Ethnic Jews, black people, white people married to black people -- ALL of these types of people can absolutely still hold white supremacist thoughts, despite how little sense it might make to you and me. But that's not what I think is going on with Milo; in his case, I think that being ethnically Jewish and married to a black person are absolutely not barriers to associating with white supremacists, anti-LGBT-rights…

There is no evidence to back up your claims that he has white supremacist beliefs. You people are delusional and obsessed with leftist/SJW ideology. No logic behind your reasoning. Everyone who disagrees with you is Nazi/homophobe/racist/whitesupremacist/etc. Insanity.

Even by the abject standards of this shitty thread, your comment here crosses into name-calling and personal attack. Posting like that is a bannable offense here. Would you mind reviewing the guidelines and taking the spirit of this site to heart?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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> Monopolies of what, exactly? Monopoly on platform reach. The reach of facebook, or the reach of youtube, twitter etc, is so high, that if you want to disseminate a message, those _must_ be the platforms you use. It's as if they own the radio spectrum, and you have to acquiesce to what they demand to use said spectrum. Of course, i am free to use smoke signals to send my message, but who will receive it?

>The reach of facebook, or the reach of youtube, twitter etc, is so high, that if you want to disseminate a message, those _must_ be the platforms you use. This isn't true though. Alex Jones can disseminate his message through countless other websites, which have their own users. This is really just advocating for equal exposure of opinions, which isn't a free speech issue.

Not free speech but open platforms.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Hilarious. With the exception of Farrakhan, Facebook (and youtube, twitter, etc) is largely responsible for these people having such large platforms in the first place. But of course now they'll unilaterally censor them to widespread acclaim, deflecting criticism from the left for their participation and profiting off such demagogues, and whipping the right into a further frenzy about censorship and giving credence t…

Sunlight has repeatedly shown to be counterproductive. Some people use any kind of platform they can get, any sort of media attention, to spread their views. They don't care that they get ridiculed, because their followers just see that as further proof of media conspiracies and bias. It just confirms and reinforces their prejudices.

Deplatforming works. Free speech does not mean you have a right to use any platform you choose, nor does it shield you from the consequences of your speech.

The deeper and darker the corners where they hide and the harder it is to stumble across by accident, the harder it is for them to spread their viewpoints.

See Voat and Gab for relevant examples. Only the really hardcore believers went there when Reddit and Twitter said "that's it, get off our platforms".

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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I am sure there will be many people cheering. However people don't seem to realise that just because it isn't you getting censored now, it may well be you in the future. What is deemed acceptable and what isn't deemed acceptable are quite transient. It wasn't long ago it was unacceptable/illegal to be a homosexual, but now it is at least (in the Western world) readily accepted. I wonder if facebook was around in the…

I think many people do realise it, and feel like it's a worthwhile risk. The cost of avoiding a hypothetical future in which I'm censored is accepting the real damage they're doing in the here and now. And also, I may end up censored anyway for other reasons. Tolerating Milo et al. isn't really a bulwark protecting me.

The far right are only pro-free speech for as long as it benefits them. Historically, whenever they or similar authoritarians have taken power, basic right such as free speech and the right to assemble are the very first things to be restricted.

They are hypocrites in the extreme. They only want free speech for themselves, and no one else.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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This is awesome news. Deplatforming works and these guys are so blatantly harmful.

Deplatforming works to achieve what exactly?

To silence people you disagree with, and to suppress inconvenient facts and debate.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Ignoring for now the larger debate over censorship, Facebook's implementation of this ban is suspect. All of these accounts have been alleged to be in violation for months, if not years, and some already had been partially banned (Alex Jones was banned from FB but not IG). Why now? Were there new violations? And/or is it a new policy change that affects how FB will be banning accounts moving forward? Is FB going to d…

They've announced a little over a month ago that they're going to ban white nationalist content: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19503094

The problem is what is white nationalism and who defines it?

A lot of the opposition is labeled as white nationalism.

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