In the UK you can be arrested for teaching your girlfriend's pug to heil as a joke.
"as a joke"
You think he was taking the pug to rallies?
Chinese Media Warn WeChat Admins: "You Can Be Arrested for Group Chat"
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a large copy-paste block with English and Chinese spellings of “Tibet, Xinjiang Autonomous Region, Tiananmen Square Massacre 1989” that also frequently gets posted on sites like 4chan and YouTube to ward off Chinese commenters. I imagine it’s not very effective, however, since these sites are blocked on the Chinese Internet, so any Chinese users would by default be posting via an encrypted VPN.
That's… one of the more interesting things I've read today.
The parent referred to "Chinese commenters" (and "ward off" was bad enough), but your comment seems to imply that they're all "CCP astroturfers". That's against the site guidelines. Would you mind reviewing them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Obviously there are real issues to be discussed here, but to do so well means we have to get good at not doing things that kill real discussion, and denigrating large groups en masse is one.
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#83I guess: 1.Most people who can not read Chinese believe "detained" or "arrested" is on the photo of the newspaper as a proof. Is it true? Ask your friend who can read Chinese what the head line says. If the author was honest, she should explicitly stated that "detained" or "arrested" is from other source but not from the image. She is manipulating readers perception while she can claim she didn't lie. 2.No body notic…
> Ask your friend who can read Chinese what the head line says. If the author was honest, she should explicitly stated that "detained" or "arrested" is from other source but not from the image.
Headline from the image in the article: "Whoever establishes a group is responsible [for it]" "Whoever manages [a group] is responsible [for it]" "New rules established for national internet messages, after this the responsibility of group masters will be big[ger]"
Headline from the image in an article prominently linked from this one: "[If] members break the law, the group master will be 追责ed [pursued and interrogated? punished? arrested?]"
Headline from the other Chinese article linked from this one: "Whoever establishes a group is responsible for it! Many group masters have been detained, everyone who has a group [should] read [this]"
> No body notice the date of the newspaper is missing. If I say this is quite old news , would anybody be surprised? Is the missing date accidental?
This looks like a fair complaint, actually. The pictures are clear that this was announced in 2017, with the new rules to take effect October 8th 2017. Coverage in April 2019 seems to have missed the boat a bit. On the other hand, according to this piece, the state has chosen to re-emphasize the message now. ("“Did you all think being a group host is free and easy? Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!”, official state newspaper Xinhua posted on Weibo on April 26.")
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you read the referenced article in Chinese, you'll see the point of the regulation in China is cracking down illegal activities that often occurs in group chats, e.g. selling illegal stuff, organizing crime. I doubt US would take no actions against these activities.
>Besides obscene and illegal content, it is not allowed, as this article lists, to post “politically sensitive information”, “spread rumors,” “bring news about Hong Kong, Macau or Taiwan that has not been reported by official news channels,” or to publish “military information.” The scope of "illegal activities" is what's at fault here, not the means by which they are enforced. The fact that we can even have this dis…
I didn't see anywhere in the Chinese article that mentioned "politically sensitive information", "bring news about Hong Kong, Macau or Taiwan that has not been reported by official news channels", publish “military information.” The sentence "spread rumors" is mentioned in combination with "scamming" and should be focusing on "scamming" part.
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#85I guess: 1.Most people who can not read Chinese believe "detained" or "arrested" is on the photo of the newspaper as a proof. Is it true? Ask your friend who can read Chinese what the head line says. If the author was honest, she should explicitly stated that "detained" or "arrested" is from other source but not from the image. She is manipulating readers perception while she can claim she didn't lie. 2.No body notic…
> No body notice the date of the newspaper is missing The article itself mentioned a date, Oct 8, 2017, when the "new" regulation come into effect. So yes, this is old news. Reading the article in Chinese, I do understand that the main focus of the new article is cracking down illegal activities like distributing pornography (which is illegal in China), gambling, scamming, etc, which are problems on the social networ…
> illegal activities like distributing pornography, gambling, scamming, etc, which are problems on the social networks that are quite important to solve
Distributing pornography happens all over, right on the street. And on the regular internet, outside of chat groups.
I would not say that distribution of pornography through private chat groups rises to the level of "important to solve" given the infinite other very easy ways to get it.
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#86It's basically another way to spread fear to encourage self censorship. If admins believe they are liable for anything non-kosher, then they'd actively censor it themselves to avoid potential wrath. Throw in a few news articles of someone being arrested for a trivial group post, and it becomes an example of 杀一儆百 which translates as "to kill 1 as a warning to 100"
"... and it literally becomes an example of ..."
No, you would need to actually kill someone in order for that to literally be an example of "to kill 1 as a warning to 100".
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Besides obscene and illegal content, it is not allowed, as this article lists, to post “politically sensitive information”, “spread rumors,” “bring news about Hong Kong, Macau or Taiwan that has not been reported by official news channels,” or to publish “military information.” The scope of "illegal activities" is what's at fault here, not the means by which they are enforced. The fact that we can even have this dis…
I didn't see anywhere in the Chinese article that mentioned "politically sensitive information", "bring news about Hong Kong, Macau or Taiwan that has not been reported by official news channels", publish “military information.” The sentence "spread rumors" is mentioned in combination with "scamming" and should be focusing on "scamming" part.
We all know what "spread rumors" stands for.
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#88> YOU are of opinion it would be proper to establish a company of firemen in Nicomedia, [similar] to what has been practised in several other cities. But it is to be remembered that societies of this sort have greatly disturbed the peace of the province in general, and of those cities in particular. Whatever name we give them, and for whatever purposes them may be founded, they will not fail to form themselves into f…
What happens if you get women together?
Women getting together is fine. Not once have groups of women ever been known to rebel against the government.
Were you also attributing "It's better to let things burn" to me personally?
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#89The extremely strong freedom of speech laws we have in the US is definitely something we got right. Reading things like this make me really grateful about those protections.
except at the moment we're dealing with highly organized paid misinformation campaigns and widespread propaganda under the guise of free speech. This will not be popular on Hn but in my opinion holding users and platforms responsible for the messages they distribute to millions is the inevitable evolution and future of social media, society has demonstrated the inability to responsibly handle anonymous unchecked mass…
I strongly disagree. There are many ways to combat misinformation that do not involve censorship. There is nothing to applaud about oppression driven government censorship.
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#90I guess: 1.Most people who can not read Chinese believe "detained" or "arrested" is on the photo of the newspaper as a proof. Is it true? Ask your friend who can read Chinese what the head line says. If the author was honest, she should explicitly stated that "detained" or "arrested" is from other source but not from the image. She is manipulating readers perception while she can claim she didn't lie. 2.No body notic…
> No body notice the date of the newspaper is missing The article itself mentioned a date, Oct 8, 2017, when the "new" regulation come into effect. So yes, this is old news. Reading the article in Chinese, I do understand that the main focus of the new article is cracking down illegal activities like distributing pornography (which is illegal in China), gambling, scamming, etc, which are problems on the social networ…
I grew up in a communist state and hearing the words "spread rumors" gives me the chills. We all know what it stands for. Here is a hint if you don't: http://bit.ly/2Y4V8Mi