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JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by jtd514 »

yalogin wrote: post #91
mienski wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I’m totally onboard with the privacy concerns, this is ridiculous FUD to just assume that every company just took on the security and storage risk of holding that data. Find me an enterprise department/exec that would willingly take that on to support a trial. The corporate bogeyman is a great story but I think you’re being a little unrealistic here. These systems typically allow the picture to be sent in with…

I don’t think so. I am being completely reasonable and rational here. Let me ask this, what is special about JetBlue? If JetBlue doesn’t host the service on their data centers would they be willing to offer such a service? If a government agency can reasonably be expected to not play favorites and offer the service to anyone within reason, do you think they will be able to scale it up and offer the kind of SLAa expec…

JetBlue doesnt need to do this. Why would they take the risk? You are being a bit ridiculous.

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by basicplus2 »

lucisferre wrote: post #49

What is tiring me out about all this "technology improvement" in airport check-in is how confusing it is and how often it changes. There is no one clear process anymore. Last week I went to board a flight and checked in using the phone app. At the airport I needed to get a baggage ticket so I used the machine there for that, but it basically had me go through the whole check-in all over again. On top of that the firs…

Its probably more about info on how they will load the aircraft ahead of time to ensure those calcs are done in time

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by nickodell »

yalogin wrote: post #60

I can bet that they have a copy of all photos on their servers. No company will be foolish enough to build a business/service that relies on another entity, much so a government organization that is not known for building highly scalable services. This is a crucial part of their process and any delays will impact their bottom line. So they have all faces with them and so does every other company. Also, just the face…

>This is a crucial part of their process and any delays will impact their bottom line.

If the government servers go down, JetBlue can fall back to checking paper boarding passes.

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by jacobolus »

unreal37 wrote: post #89
gumby wrote: post #46

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> It's important to know who is crossing the border, in both directions. Why? And if there exists an important reason to know that someone is exiting the country does that same criterion not also apply to exiting a state or city or neighborhood? I am not being sarcastic; I am genuinely unable to come up with a reason it's important to track who leaves almost any place, except in highly unusual cases (e.g. "OK guys, c…

Most countries of the world have maximum visit lengths as part of a visitor visa. And those maximum visit lengths are counted on an annual basis. So you can only visit the US 179 days out of 365. So they need to know when you came in and when you left. It's not good enough to just leave and not tell anyone.

They don’t “need to know” for reasons which are of significant practical benefit to citizens/residents.

But institutions like governments only “see” via data collection, and in general are happy to collect whatever is technically and socially feasible, and people involved in setting up databases seldom stop to think about the risks or trade-offs involved in collecting various types of data, or whether that data is meaningful or useful. https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2010/07/26/a-big-little-idea-call...

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by acct1771 »

gumby wrote: post #47
dillonmckay wrote: post #33

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You don’t need photo ID to fly. TSA will ask you questions from your credit report and allow you to board. *US citizens flying within the states.

You are correct; sad that most people don't know this.

Is REAL ID dead?

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by acct1771 »

unreal37 wrote: post #95
jrockway wrote: post #36

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I have never had my picture taken while leaving the United States, which is what this sounds like. Arriving? Sure.

You have not had this knowingly. You have not posed for a photo. But surely, the government has plenty of cameras in customs areas and face recognition has been a thing for a decade.

Now think about the attributes they're recording from your phone when you approach.

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by acct1771 »

lurquer wrote: post #73
jancsika wrote: post #28

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The person's twitter account uses their given name with a personal photo. So replace "ostensibly" with "absolutely not." Also, let's assume we're talking reality and not theory. Given that, what's the difference between JetBlue querying a proprietary goldmine of data (or multiple ones) vs. querying a (probably) proprietary goldmine of data that was collected through a contract with DHS? In either instance, the short…

I think the horse has already left the barn. An individual with $500 worth of equipment could quickly create a database of facial biometrics for a good portion of his city. What kind of legislation could prevent this? Outlaw private ownerships of cameras and computers? I do not think there is any way to stop what is coming...

It's the power inherent to the holder of that database that makes the difference...

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by codedokode »

crazygringo wrote: post #9

Most relevant details, from the last link [1]: > It took her photo, comparing her picture to a preloaded photo databased of all the passengers with tickets on this flight, and then she got a check mark, indicating she was cleared to board. The whole process took about five to six seconds. > The Aruba experiment is expected to last somewhere between 45 and 90 days. > "We're basically capturing that picture at the boar…

I am not sure if passport photo is good enough for this. The mimimum requirement for face recognition is about 50 pixels between the eyes, and for reliable recognition it probably should be more. So the photo must come from somewhere else. For example, it could be taken when she passed the gates previous time.

Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face

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Post by oh_sigh »

craftinator wrote: post #99
oh_sigh wrote: post #56

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No, but whether they actually are or not is another question. They could also build the same database 10 years ago by taking your picture as you scanned your boarding pass.

I haven't done international travel (by normal means), have they always taken your picture for that? Thanks for the info!

No, but they could surreptitiously take your photo if they wanted to. I doubt there is much expectation of privacy at an airport gate
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