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Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by cowwithbeef »

matt4077 wrote: post #392
cowwithbeef wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The MMR vaccine does not give full immunity(the reason booster shots exist), immigrants can enter the country while carrying the disease, and sometimes live virus vaccines like MMR can leave the people who get them contagious. The only ways to have zero cases of any disease in the country are to either eradicate it globally (like small pox), or to eradicate it nationally and prevent cross border transmission (like po…

I’m flagging this for the xenophobic/racist stereotype that immigrants are a major source of MMR. Recent data on measles, the disease currently in the news, show that rates in Central America are comparable to or even lower than in the US: https://www.who.int/immunization/monitoring_surveillance/bur...

I can't possibly explain the mechanics of disease eradication without mentioning the movement of infected people. I don't want to get reported for bigotry though so I should simply have not replied on this topic to guarantee my continued use of this site. Unfortunately that means all the discussions here are partial. The ability of hacker news users to educate themselves with discussion is severely limited by the self censorship you impose on us. The fact you completely misunderstood what I said is not surprising as you likely choose to live in a censored world of partial arguments that leave you ignorant, uneducated, and comfortably numb. I would still never report you though.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by [deleted] »

balls187 wrote: post #359
AlexTWithBeard wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly like being proud to be black, but white.

So white pride is celebrating prominent white actors, educators, inventors, business leaders, and culture--things that have historically been denied or discounted.

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Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by cat199 »

cat199 wrote: post #167
reissbaker wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Farrakhan was banned for being a notorious anti-Semite; being black doesn't give you a free pass to incite hatred against Jews. This isn't a complex issue.

NOI (and by extension Farrakhan) is not simply 'anti semitic'. They are black supremacist.

To those critiquing without making counterpoint:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam

"Critics have described the organization as being black supremacist[4] and antisemitic.[5][6][7] The Southern Poverty Law Center tracks the NOI as a hate group.[8][9] Its official newspaper is The Final Call. In 2007, the core membership was estimated to be between 20,000 and 50,000.[1]"

i'm not a kook or an extremist.

look up their theology and creation mythology/eschatology -

the teaching is that all humans descend from 'the afro asiatic blackman', that whites are devils that are spawned by a science project, other races were failed attempts at this experiment (aka the 'blacker' you are, the more 'pure' you are), and that at the end times the prophet elijah will circle the earth in a UFO and and destroy the 'devils' (aka white devils) and the nonbelievers and save the believers.

Malcom X left NOI specifically when he undertook the Haaj and realized it had nothing to do with actual Islam, which, separate point, I also disagree with, but that's a separate topic, and at least it isn't a racist religion. This is likely (at least part of) why he was assassinated.

and yes, antisemitism fits in as a part of this belief system.

but to categorize the group as only 'antisemitic'

is to do a disservice to the general level of divisive, racist drivel that they promote against all humanity, including africans and african americans (by encouraging belief in this nonsense).

Facts.

but yes, facebook banning them is also just as silly. but if they are banning them, it should be for the wider racism, and not just one among many (antisemitism).

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

shiado wrote: post #180

It's always funny when these threads come up and people who ostensibly hold the progressive viewpoint that corporations have an inordinate amount of power and influence suddenly pull out their Ayn Rand books and Gadsden flags and argue that corporations should be able to do anything they want because they are a private entity.

I dunno. I can certainly believe both, corporations do have an inordinate amount of power. But I also believe we should not take away any corporation's free speech rights either.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by bsder »

throwawayjava wrote: post #286
badatshipping wrote: post #252

Every time this subject comes up, someone inevitably says something like "Facebook is a private corporation, the first amendment only applies to the government, and if you want to use Facebook you have to play by their rules. No one is owed a platform." Platforms like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter are basically monopolies. They are the only services in their class to take seriously if you're looking to gain a follow…

> ..when their product category is fundamental to modern life. FB/YT/Twitter are not fundamental to modern life. They aren't even fundamental to gaining an audience. Lots of businesses[1] manage to turn handsome profits without advertising on those platforms. [1] And that's what infowars/milo are -- businesses looking for make a profit by producing social commentary and then selling ad space / books / videos / merch…

> FB/YT/Twitter are not fundamental to modern life.

And, yet, content creators must upload their content to YouTube or someone else will--even if they host it somewhere else.

Therefore, YouTube is either a monopoly or a bad-faith actor--your choice--and we will, unfortunately, need laws to bring YouTube to heel.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by cat199 »

colordrops wrote: post #480
cat199 wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ah yes, argumentum ad cultural relitivismus. does this actually negate my point? nevermind the fact that it is not actually true.. christanity, buddhism, sikhism, etc. among many, many, others do not have racism as part of their theological core doctrines . This is not to say that strands of any haven't misused the theology in the name of racism, but your claim is patently false.

Some strains of Judaism do have racism at the core. They believe they are chosen by God and there are many texts that support the idea that non-jews are lesser beings. In any case what does it matter? What matters is how many people suffer and die at the behest of a religion, regardless if you can pinpoint racism or not.

so intent is irrelevant?

and misrepresentation by another group is not usurping the purpose of the original group?

or is nuance also irrelevant, so one should tar-and-feather everything because making distinctions is difficult?

I hear hackers are bad people, so who are you for using this site?

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Post by Daishiman »

emilfihlman wrote: post #515
iscrewyou wrote: post #35

It’s only unfortunate that it took social networks this long to ban their toxic behavior and talk. These people did a lot of damage. A lot. All in the name of free speech. And to those saying, just because Facebook can, doesn’t mean they should. These people had the same freedom. Just because they can, they shouldn’t. But they chose hatred. And here we are. You reap what you sow. Facebook doesn’t owe them anything. E…

>These people did a lot of damage. A lot. All in the name of free speech. It's pretty tiring hearing people complaining about banning the right of movement. I mean, why do you even need a right about being equal in front of the law? Bigger people contribute more and being free costs money anyways, why does it matter if someone owns you? Just be happy you were allowed to think this long for yourself! And stop being so…

This literally makes no coherent argument.

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Post by scrollaway »

emilfihlman wrote: post #515
iscrewyou wrote: post #35

It’s only unfortunate that it took social networks this long to ban their toxic behavior and talk. These people did a lot of damage. A lot. All in the name of free speech. And to those saying, just because Facebook can, doesn’t mean they should. These people had the same freedom. Just because they can, they shouldn’t. But they chose hatred. And here we are. You reap what you sow. Facebook doesn’t owe them anything. E…

>These people did a lot of damage. A lot. All in the name of free speech. It's pretty tiring hearing people complaining about banning the right of movement. I mean, why do you even need a right about being equal in front of the law? Bigger people contribute more and being free costs money anyways, why does it matter if someone owns you? Just be happy you were allowed to think this long for yourself! And stop being so…

None of what you wrote even remotely compares to the parent comment. You're trying to be witty by using a simile but it's falling flat.

Re: Facebook Bans Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, InfoWars and Others

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Post by scarface74 »

pixl97 wrote: post #513
scarface74 wrote: post #503

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And anyone is free to click on the text box on the top of their browser and go to any website they wish.

And what percent do? Most of the US at this points uses Google, or even chrome directly to search google.

And like I said in another post, if you want to be heard, you can’t take the lazy way out and hope SEO works for you. If rappers can figure out how to do guerilla marketing, I’m sure they can too.

You’re telling me that they can’t find “1000 true fans” as a base?

Farakhan in particular had a large following before the Internet was a thing.

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Post by dashundchen »

wyoh wrote: post #433
SolaceQuantum wrote: post #44

I don't know about Paul Joseph but I believe Milo has had cases of publicly naming, threatening to name, doxxing, and mocking trans women that study on the campuses that he's spoken at. I belive this is dangerous behavior due to statistic that trans people are especially vulnerable for being murdered compared to the rest of the American population.

I've heard people against seeing him on campus say that, but never seen any actual proof of him doing it or even threatening to do it.

Pretty easy to find multiple incidents of him saying threatening things, or inciting his unhinged fan base to do horrible things to people, and ducking under "I was joking", or "free speech". These trolls know exactly what they are type of harm they are causing when they walk the line of harassment.

I'm of the opinion trolls like him should be given zero media attention. Anecdotally after his twitter ban I rarely saw him in the headlines like a few years ago.

I am hoping media editors are starting to see when they are getting played for headlines.

https://www.dailycal.org/2017/09/21/uc-berkeley-students-har...

> Milo Yiannopoulos publicly posted the photos and identifying information of ASUC Senator Juniperangelica Cordova-Goff and campus doctoral student Adam Jadhav on Wednesday, spurring harassment from his supporters.

https://www.advocate.com/people/2018/6/28/milo-says-death-th...

> Milo Yiannopoulos said he was joking when he sent a text message to reporters, "I can’t wait for the vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down on sight."

> The remark made the gay right-wing provocateur a trending topic on social media, following the Thursday shooting of the newsroom of the Capital Gazette in Annapolis, Md.

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/01/27/24830371/uw-prof...

> In addition to internet doxxing, Weatherford says, his sense of physical safety on campus has been severely compromised:

> They have spammed my UW email account with listserve confirmations; they know where my office is in addition to my office hours; and I have started to receive packages to my departmental mailbox, some of which hinted to include Pepe the frog figurines (an image often sent to victims of online harassment). [...] There is even a post that is attempting to find the bus that I ride in order to further harass me. And, I later learned that night that they know my biological mother’s personal information.

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