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Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by squarefoot »

p1necone wrote: post #5
p1necone wrote: post #2

My arch enemy; tiny low res thumbnails strikes again!

Although there is one higher res image available, which is better than usual. Of course it's high enough res to show that there's visible artifacting. But this is pretty impressive. I wonder if an easy hack would be to train a second separate neural network to clean up the kind of artifacting that you get out of the first neural network...

"I wonder if an easy hack would be to train a second separate neural network to clean up the kind of artifacting that you get out of the first neural network..."

Shhhh, don't give the evil web overlords ideas for new nasty captchas :)

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by telchar »

kro92kfmrzz wrote: post #12
keenmaster wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. If you're Gap and have a lineup with thousands of articles of clothing, why would you go through the trouble of procuring models? You have to deal with modeling agencies, photographers, set managers, etc... When the AI gets good enough, it will be even better than the alternative. It will serve ads showing only your body type. Maybe the models will even have....your face.

It could lead to more than just putting casual models out of work. Fewer stylists and designers would be needed. Let the AI generate the color patterns (sticking with Gap as an example, it might retain their chosen /size as constraints) and boom, on demand styling

Not to mention you wouldn't need photoshop anymore to give the models unrealistic proportions. Adopt this system and proudly declare that you don't photoshop the models! Like fat-free soda.

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by areoform »

While AI models might replace catalogue models for small labels that are starting out (maybe) and for e-commerce companies (definitely). I highly doubt it that they will replace real models for large companies and fashion boutiques now or ever. Because what people (women and men) are buying is aspiration wrapped in dead plant fibers. The reason why I buy a dress from Hervé Leger is because I want to look like old school Crawford making body-con a thing in the ‘90s https://media.glamour.com/photos/56959302d9dab9ff41b2a79b/ma... and make the painful process of getting into that shape and look seem “easy” while doing it.

Fashion isn’t about looking good in of itself. It’s about social proof-of-work. Knowing what to wear and pulling it off isn’t easy. It’s the raison d’être of the multi-billion dollar fashion and fitness industries. Women eat grass all day everyday and go on ridiculous juice cleanses while contorting their body into shapes that would put a pretzel to shame. If the world endures so much pain to look effortlessly good, Why should manufacturers be allowed to forego the pain? If the root of aspiration is making the impossible look like a breeze, then why would anyone want to buy from a computer generated perfect model that never had to feel the pull of a difficult stretch and stare in the mirror with guilty eyes?

The suspension of disbelief necessary for the social economy to function crumbled as soon as something is too perfect. Like Instagram photos. It’s not cool to slap on a filter anymore and stage a perfect photo. It’s too easy now. Just like Prisma was. What’s cool is to put in the work and make something imperfect so that everyone knows that you put in the effort and looked unflappably blasé while doing it.

Most models that are hired today are hired partly on their social presence. Having an audience, even a micro-audience, is essential for getting high paid gigs, because brands aren’t just selling the look; they’re selling the whole package associated with the look. Women like to buy from other women (and men like James Charles) whom they can aspire to. Tweens and teens want to look like the models on tik-tok. Young-adults and grown women want to look like their favorite YouTuber and Instagram celeb. They all want to participate in making something cool happen with their friends.

All of this and more is intrinsically social and human.

All of this and more means that as long as humans buy from other humans, brands will hire models to appeal to what’s most human; sexy, sexy crazy-making envy.

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by mc32 »

acconrad wrote: post #4

would this mean that outside of runway models, you wouldn't need models to showcase your clothing anymore since you can just "wrap" your clothes over these AI humans?

Somehow they'll have to find a way around lookalikes. A real human who believes the rendering is actually their image and likeness. So they'll have to have a way to prove that there was no "contamination".

Funny enough, there was a case[1] of a real person thinking a model on a website was him but it turned out the image was that of an altogether different person that just looked like them, uncannily.

For illustration, let's say the AI generated a "body" that looked eerily similar to Kim Kardashian or the president of Burundi and used it to promote products or causes.

[1]https://www.npr.org/2019/03/10/702063209/man-inadvertently-p...

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by dang »

shmageggy wrote: post #20

On the importance of language: generating "entire bodies" is a different class of problem then generating images of bodies

The title is awkwardly worded, but I don't think it's so unclear. If the people don't exist then neither do the bodies.

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by daenz »

bsanr wrote: post #15

One wonders if the people whose photos were used to build this system were compensated appropriately for their contribution. Something tells me that royalties were not discussed. Uncompensated, or grossly under-compensated, use of personal data for AI systems is a serious issue that one no one seems to want to address.

Serious question, what are the legal implications for using a publicly available online image for ML training?

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by protomyth »

RenRav wrote: post #16
bsanr wrote: post #15

One wonders if the people whose photos were used to build this system were compensated appropriately for their contribution. Something tells me that royalties were not discussed. Uncompensated, or grossly under-compensated, use of personal data for AI systems is a serious issue that one no one seems to want to address.

I think that every time I see these AI people generators. Do they release their training sets of images, or is there even a way to check?

I’m sure some lawyer will get the list in discovery the first time it comes a bit close to a model’s look. I do wonder if they have the list, though.

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by true_religion »

bsanr wrote: post #15

One wonders if the people whose photos were used to build this system were compensated appropriately for their contribution. Something tells me that royalties were not discussed. Uncompensated, or grossly under-compensated, use of personal data for AI systems is a serious issue that one no one seems to want to address.

> One wonders if the people whose photos were used to build this system were compensated appropriately for their contribution.

Stock photos exist. It's not as if researchers are trawling facebook to build their AI models.

Just looking at the output, and the unnaturally specific body poses, I'd guess they just put in an order for 50,000 stock photos and went on from there.

If you negotiate, you can trivially get it down to 0.10 per image which is just 5000 dollars. And by trivially, I mean just email several sources saying your budget is in the low thousands.

So most likely, everyone got compensated. All rights were preserved.

Re: AI tech generates entire bodies of people who don't exist

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

areoform wrote: post #24

While AI models might replace catalogue models for small labels that are starting out (maybe) and for e-commerce companies (definitely). I highly doubt it that they will replace real models for large companies and fashion boutiques now or ever. Because what people (women and men) are buying is aspiration wrapped in dead plant fibers. The reason why I buy a dress from Hervé Leger is because I want to look like old sch…

This may be true, but I'm sure the vast, vast, vast majority of people employed as models are these kinds of print and e-commerce models whose jobs are now at risk.
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