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Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 02, 2019, 10:21 PM UTC

maxxxxx wrote: post #111

calvinbhai wrote: post #93

Having read Nadella's book Hit Refresh as soon as it went on sale, Microsoft performance since then doesn't look surprising at all. Having listed what's wrong (with their product focus, company culture etc), and where they plan to head, its' almost like the book informs the reader where puck is going to be (from Satya's POV). It's funny that 15 years back I was so anti MS and pro Google and now I think it's the other…

“It's funny that 15 years back I was so anti MS and pro Google and now I think it's the other way!” Stay skeptical of all of them. No need to be fan of one of the big techs. In the end they are all greedy organizations that want to dominate. None of them should be trusted.

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Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by stcredzero » Thu, May 02, 2019, 10:31 PM UTC

otikik wrote: post #270

stcredzero wrote: post #176

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In terms of supporting Windows on the Cloud, I would bet on Microsoft out-competing AWS.

That's a very small piece of AWS's pie.

Likely to become a big slice of Azure's

Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by e12e » Thu, May 02, 2019, 10:40 PM UTC

rotrux wrote: post #248

thaumasiotes wrote: post #238

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> we've reached the depth-limit, so I'm responding here. There isn't a depth limit.

> There isn't a depth limit. Well looks like you're right, but the nonetheless the reply button wasn't there. Did I sufficiently address your question?

There's a soft rate limit.

Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by e12e » Thu, May 02, 2019, 10:47 PM UTC

ticmasta wrote: post #268

BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #250

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Microsoft's hard turn for the best is a weird mirror image of Google's hard turn for the worst. It almost makes me want to give Windows a try again (ha not really). But I'd try a "Microsoft Linux" desktop (which no longer sounds like a ridiculous concept), before I would try Chrome OS.

I think that, in addition to mobile devices, the browser is the new desktop and MS has conceded that to Google with Edge to be built on Chromium, so the chance of a MS Linux seem slim. Bill Gates always talked about beating competitors by commoditizing their offering; I think you're seeing MS do that to themselves with containerization built on linux or at the most nanoserver. It may take twenty years to kill off the…

With wsl, "Microsoft Linux" is running Linux binaries on a windows NT derived kernel. With a release of sql server running under Linux, and Linux binaries running on windows under wsl - I'm not sure what Microsoft would want with a Microsoft Linux distribution (Linux kernel running gnu/Linux user land)?

Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by e12e » Thu, May 02, 2019, 10:52 PM UTC

thereare5lights wrote: post #175

TheIronYuppie wrote: post #110

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We don't do any training on your data. Telemetry is largely for feature use tracking (eg we should really do better around this component, everyone is using it). There is absolutely no ads overlap at all. Literally none. Disclosure: I work at Azure but not on VS Code

Is there any way we can verify this?

If in the EU you could ask for all collected data under the GDPR. [ed: all personal data - so there might be some set of aggregated, non-identifable data that they might not be required by gdpr to allow insight to - that is however a pretty high bar to clear (and intertwines with being allowed to sample / collect that data in the first place, informed concent, defaulting to not collecting data (opt-in) etc]

Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 02, 2019, 10:53 PM UTC

spectramax wrote: post #36

johnday wrote: post #29

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> “Intellisense with AI now available on VS Code” is Microsoft’s nice way of saying “We harvest the shit out of your data”. What? The IntelliCode description says that "Contextual recommendations are based on practices developed in thousands of high quality, open-source projects on GitHub each with high star ratings.". I'm not clear on how you think Microsoft will harvest data from doing this - much less how it is re…

There is telemetry built into VS Code that you can turn off, but it is turned on by default. There is no way to know how they're using that data. Microsoft also collects data on Office365 platform and even local Office 2019 installs. I was trying was to make a tongue in cheek point, rather than specifically digging into exact methods of how they collect data. You may be right but it is besides the core issue we are d…

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Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by flatb » Thu, May 02, 2019, 10:55 PM UTC

pier25 wrote: post #94

blhack wrote: post #69

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Excel is actually an amazing product. Google docs is cool, but it’s nothing compared to excel.

Excel is a beast, but for my use case Google Sheets is better since I don't need the advanced features and it's always available in any browser. My biggest problem with Google Docs in general is not about features but that performance is pretty bad.

I second your statement about Google Docs. I find it amazing that they don't put a bigger focus on performance. We're talking about tools that are essentially about being productive!

Any Google Docs product feels incredibly sluggish, and I feel this trend lately even in Gmail or Google Keep. It just constantly feels like those old-school fat clients constantly hiccupping because of a slow server.

Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by otikik » Thu, May 02, 2019, 10:56 PM UTC

stcredzero wrote: post #272

otikik wrote: post #270

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That's a very small piece of AWS's pie.

Likely to become a big slice of Azure's

Your last statement doesn't counter mine.

Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by crispinb » Thu, May 02, 2019, 11:01 PM UTC

OscarDC wrote: post #151

rconti wrote: post #62

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I think parent means the contrived term "Nadallaissance" as a headline gimmick.

To be fair, it looks really weird as a word to a French speaker. It reads almost like "adolescence" which roughly means "teenage years". I guess to an English speaker it sounds more like "Renaissance" but even that I'm not sure.

To an English speaker it looks more like "wanker"

Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by thaumasiotes » Thu, May 02, 2019, 11:07 PM UTC

rotrux wrote: post #248

thaumasiotes wrote: post #238

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> we've reached the depth-limit, so I'm responding here. There isn't a depth limit.

> There isn't a depth limit. Well looks like you're right, but the nonetheless the reply button wasn't there. Did I sufficiently address your question?

> Did I sufficiently address your question?

What question are you referring to?

Regardless, I suggest that it is better to reply to the comment you're replying to than to reply to some other comment, whether you see a reply link or not. You don't need the reply link to reply to a comment.