JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
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Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#2That's just bizarre. This would never, ever, fly under the GDPR.
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#3That's just bizarre. This would never, ever, fly under the GDPR.
Are you sure? According to what the airline said, the airline doesn't have the facial recognition data; rather they are just taking photos from passengers who opt in to board via this method, and the photos only need to be stored for a few seconds so they can be sent to DHS for verification.
The airline isn't taking or storing photos of passengers who don't opt into this process, but it is presumably sending the government a list of all passengers prior to boarding so that photos of passengers who opt in can be verified. Would this violate the GDPR?
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#4That's just bizarre. This would never, ever, fly under the GDPR.
Are you sure? According to what the airline said, the airline doesn't have the facial recognition data; rather they are just taking photos from passengers who opt in to board via this method, and the photos only need to be stored for a few seconds so they can be sent to DHS for verification. The airline isn't taking or storing photos of passengers who don't opt into this process, but it is presumably sending the gove…
s/who opt in/who don't opt out/ according to the tweets.
But you're right, and the process is surprisingly reasonable as long as the implementation is safe
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#5That's just bizarre. This would never, ever, fly under the GDPR.
Are you sure? According to what the airline said, the airline doesn't have the facial recognition data; rather they are just taking photos from passengers who opt in to board via this method, and the photos only need to be stored for a few seconds so they can be sent to DHS for verification. The airline isn't taking or storing photos of passengers who don't opt into this process, but it is presumably sending the gove…
do you actually believe that the twitter PR person has enough technical knowledge of this process to make such bold claims as to whether they store people's data or not? And if you do believe they would have enough knowledge, do you believe they would EVER tell the truth?
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#6That's just bizarre. This would never, ever, fly under the GDPR.
I’ve used similar systems recently in Europe so it would appear GDPR is cool with it...
It seems they are simply asking for identify verification by sending the photo to a remote DHS server for verification. How is this different than showing a ticket agent your passport and having them scan it? That’s the same photo in question. GDPR doesn’t get you out of having to verify your identity in person against a government photo for boarding a flight.
In fact, one could argue the method in question is actually more secure and private because you never actually have to share your passport photo directly with JetBlue.
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#7That's just bizarre. This would never, ever, fly under the GDPR.
Are you sure? According to what the airline said, the airline doesn't have the facial recognition data; rather they are just taking photos from passengers who opt in to board via this method, and the photos only need to be stored for a few seconds so they can be sent to DHS for verification. The airline isn't taking or storing photos of passengers who don't opt into this process, but it is presumably sending the gove…
> According to what the airline said, the airline doesn't have the facial recognition data
I absolutely do not believe the tweets from a company PR representative as to how their technology actually works.
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you sure? According to what the airline said, the airline doesn't have the facial recognition data; rather they are just taking photos from passengers who opt in to board via this method, and the photos only need to be stored for a few seconds so they can be sent to DHS for verification. The airline isn't taking or storing photos of passengers who don't opt into this process, but it is presumably sending the gove…
do you actually believe that the twitter PR person has enough technical knowledge of this process to make such bold claims as to whether they store people's data or not? And if you do believe they would have enough knowledge, do you believe they would EVER tell the truth?
I believe the PR person have the knowledge by proxy, someone is directing him. I also believe that DHS won't give them sensitive information without requiring them to conform to the relevant regulations.
I can't say I'm certain it is fail-proof, and it defiantly can feel spooky but not everybody is lying to you all the time.
From the article the PR quoted, I arrived to the relevant executive order that facilitated this, section 8: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-or...
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#9Most relevant details, from the last link [1]:
> It took her photo, comparing her picture to a preloaded photo databased of all the passengers with tickets on this flight, and then she got a check mark, indicating she was cleared to board. The whole process took about five to six seconds.
> The Aruba experiment is expected to last somewhere between 45 and 90 days.
> "We're basically capturing that picture at the boarding gate, providing it to U.S. Customs and Border Protection. They're identifying the traveler," Farrell said. "It's actually the U.S. government that's implementing the biometric matching system that does all the hard analysis and crunching of the data."
> A biometric exit system to track non-U.S. citizens using their faces or fingerprints has long been a congressional mandate, particularly after 9/11, to improve border security and identify people who've overstayed their visas.
> Crockford says people don't know how CBP might share that data with local police. CBP insists it'll discard photos taken of citizens, and only keep a database of non-citizens.
> Customs and Border Protection has been piloting similar biometric tests at airports in Atlanta, New York and the D.C. area. And, according to a customs official, the goal is to deploy facial recognition tech widely by early next year.
I guess it must be comparing with their passport photo? (Or visa photo, for foreigners?) It doesn't seem much different from the way you're already required to show your physical passport and they check your photo manually. It's also always been pretty normal to have your photo taken by countries when passing through passport control. So I don't really see what the problem would be here?
[1] https://www.wbur.org/bostonomix/2017/06/21/jetblue-facial-re...
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#10I guess now we all know what the REAL ID act was about.