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Jack Dorsey Is Gwyneth Paltrow for Silicon Valley

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Re: Jack Dorsey Is Gwyneth Paltrow for Silicon Valley

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Post by NerdyDrone »

likeaj6 wrote: post #116

As someone working on making these health & wellness strategies and protocols more data-driven and evidence based through more structured experiments (see https://mementolabs.io ), I'm very much pro on pushing for more people trying these "fringe" strategies in a more informed manner, so take my following thoughts with a grain of salt: - Many of our current, preexisting beliefs about food and nutrition are proving to…

I think there's a lot of value of curating the best of "Biohacking" for average people. Then also being data-driven in determining if those hacks are actually improving your sleep, weight or productivity.

I also agree there are too many "gurus" out there, and not enough evidence-based places like www.examine.com

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Post by CM30 »

stcredzero wrote: post #109

As Twitter’s head, he spends his days navigating issues around free speech for white supremacists, online abuse and the spread of terrorist propaganda The phrasing seems designed to imply that Free Speech is only for bad people and terrorist propaganda. The reason why Free Speech is a fundamental human right, is that it keeps powerful people and authorities from squashing dissent. We can't just have "Free Speech, so…

Agreed.

Unfortunately, it seems freedom of speech has become one of those things a disturbing number of people only seem to see the negative side of. In a certain sense, it's in the same quagmire as capitalism, IP laws, and to some extent privacy; easy to see the negatives and abuses in, but also something that helps or protects everyone else too.

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Post by elliekelly »

andreilys wrote: post #142
nimbius wrote: post #69

As someone with a firmly blue-collar perspective on the world, these weird sacred cows of the city that people elevate to the status of guru are as mysterious for me as they are asinine. I read up on Gwyneth Paltrow after reading the article, and checked her website where I found idiotic products that made my heart stop with some of their claims. When my heart finally started again I cursed god for letting me live to…

Reading the article here are the things Jack does: 1) 10 day meditation retreats 2) Sauna and ice baths 3) Walking 5 miles to work 4) Daily intermittent fasting 5) Drinking salt juice Could you point out which of these activities would be deemed 'quackery'? These all seem like fairly benign things, with backing from scientific studies or centuries of tribal knowledge being passed down. I doubt we will ever escape the…

> Could you point out which of these activities would be deemed 'quackery'? These all seem like fairly benign things, with backing from scientific studies or centuries of tribal knowledge being passed down.

You conveniently omitted the parts that aren't backed by science. It's not just a sauna, it's a "near infrared" sauna. Saunas aren't quackery but a near infrared Sauna is. It's also probably dangerous. The article also mentions his use of cryotherapy which isn't backed by any solid science and also conspicuously absent from your list.

Your last six comments are some version of this same question so I suspect you aren't asking because you're genuinely curious but rather because you dislike the conclusion others have reached.

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Post by moretai »

nabla9 wrote: post #144
nimbius wrote: post #69

As someone with a firmly blue-collar perspective on the world, these weird sacred cows of the city that people elevate to the status of guru are as mysterious for me as they are asinine. I read up on Gwyneth Paltrow after reading the article, and checked her website where I found idiotic products that made my heart stop with some of their claims. When my heart finally started again I cursed god for letting me live to…

The need for spirituality and search for deeper meaning is not going away with secularism. It transforms into purifying or self actualizing behaviour using certain foods, doing certain exercises, asceticism, meditation, being part of movements and scenes (congregations). Singularity or life extension are the ultimate nerd rapture. I speak as secular fanatic myself. I have meditated 20 years now. 2-4 hours per day and…

And what is that goal?

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Post by moretai »

Kalium wrote: post #93
komali2 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, Battle Creek! Also where the Kellogg brothers got up to their weirdness. John Harvey Kellogg was involved in the weird dietary movements of the era as well. Ran a sort of spa / psych hospital thing, recommended people eat super plain food and chew each bite 45 times, that sort of thing. Tried to make "pre-digested" food which led eventually to Corn Flakes. Lots of weird health anecdotes out of there. Anything fro…

It's not a coincidence that Graham and Kelloggs were both doing weird dietary stuff in Battle Creek. The Seventh Day Adventist Church was - and to an extent still is - a major presence in Battle Creek. They place a great deal of emphasis on health in general and diet in particular. I believe all of those men were Adventists.

Can an outsider move into a place like that or anywhere that is heavily influenced by a cult like figure or mentality and avoid being forced into their community/cult?

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Post by leoh »

tomcam wrote: post #82
nimbius wrote: post #69

As someone with a firmly blue-collar perspective on the world, these weird sacred cows of the city that people elevate to the status of guru are as mysterious for me as they are asinine. I read up on Gwyneth Paltrow after reading the article, and checked her website where I found idiotic products that made my heart stop with some of their claims. When my heart finally started again I cursed god for letting me live to…

Hang on. I am the last thing from a Jack Dorsey fan. However, I see nowhere in his somewhat grotesque tweets where he tells me what I should do. As near as I can tell, he is simply telling us what he is doing.

I agree. Which points to a similar problem with this article. Dorsey suggests saunas, and Bowles takes it further, talking about "Faraday Saunas", making Dorsey seem more asinine when Dorsey never mentioned that in the first place.

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Post by Kalium »

moretai wrote: post #165
Kalium wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a coincidence that Graham and Kelloggs were both doing weird dietary stuff in Battle Creek. The Seventh Day Adventist Church was - and to an extent still is - a major presence in Battle Creek. They place a great deal of emphasis on health in general and diet in particular. I believe all of those men were Adventists.

Can an outsider move into a place like that or anywhere that is heavily influenced by a cult like figure or mentality and avoid being forced into their community/cult?

Battle Creek? It's not Salt Lake City or Clearwater. The Adventists don't comprise an overwhelming majority of the town by any means.

Whether you, an outsider, would want to move to a mid-size dying industrial town is also a question worth asking.

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Post by kevinconaway »

wpietri wrote: post #14
mc32 wrote: post #5

It’s sad how people cargo cult imitate the people who inspire them to such a degree it becomes disconnected and degenerate. At least with Steve Jobs there was a certain distance to the admiration. (They admired the accomplishments, rather than his persona —maybe it helped that he was “mercurial” and gruff), but with smooth talkers like Dorsey or Paltrow who look so wholesome, much reason is thrown out the window. At…

I'm sorry to say that Jobs had a lot of people throwing reason out the window as well. Elizabeth Holmes is a great example of the cargo cult around his style and management methods. And when he died, people literally built an altar to him: https://surjgish.com/2011/miscellaneous-fun/dia-de-los-muert...

I don't believe those are "altars" in the sense that you're implying, as if people are worshipping him.

They are ofrendas [0] which are part of the Day of the Dead celebrations. My understanding is that they are usually reserved for loved ones but beloved public figures are included as well.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofrenda

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Post by andreilys »

_bxg1 wrote: post #156
andreilys wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things I learned today: fasting is an eating disorder. I suppose all the Muslims/Christians that observe Ramadan/Lent also have an eating disorder?

Don't be needlessly incendiary. Whether or not it's an eating disorder is contextual. It's not just about not eating food for a while; it's about things like the presence or absence of an addictive pattern, and the benefits or detriments to a person's physical and spiritual well-being. I would say in the context of the article, it probably leans towards eating disorder.

I'm not an expert on eating disorders, so I will have to give you the benefit of the doubt. In my mind, I always put it in the context of something like anorexia or bulimia which has obvious negative physical and psychological effects.

However, I fail to see how daily intermittent fasting can be placed in the same category, maybe you can give me some more context here?

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