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Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by johnsea »

bradford wrote: post #123
kuzehanka wrote: post #45

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Linux seems to be doing just fine keeping software maintained without ads or harvesting data. This mindset is toxic and needs to die.

[disclosure, MS employee] With the absence of telemetry, how do you know Linux is doing just fine? (specifically in the desktop world, not server world). Microsoft has an interest in knowing how well Windows is doing, and Windows has lived in a world both with and without telemetry. It was way, way harder to gauge success prior to telemetry, and it was also much more frustrating for the user to communicate their prob…

> I don't think Windows could have stayed in the pre-telemetry engineering world

You (Microsoft) shouldn't enforce people to send telemetry. Ask kindly and I suppose you'd get a better response. (VSC is a good example how it could/should be done)

Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by huzaif »

huzaif wrote: post #245
victor106 wrote: post #240

The new Microsoft is good and Nadella is awesome. The one product that really sucks from this Microsoft is Azure. I commented in a thread before Azure is the absolute worst cloud provider amongst the big three after we thoroughly evaluated all three. AWS is the best and GCP is next. But due to management pressure we had to go with Azure. Unfortunately the best product does not always win in the enterprise. (That is w…

I am curious to see your findings (if possible). We are betting big on Azure and have found it to be pretty compatible with our needs. However we may have some blind spots.

Right on queue, Azure is currently having some pretty massive issues. All our deployments are having issues.

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/status/

Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by johnsea »

avtar wrote: post #68
johnsea wrote: post #41

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If people don't pay for software maintenance, e.g. Windows 10 updates, what do you do? Ads, harvest data... Windows (likely) always could offer better privacy for a fee. You can buy a Windows computer incl. services at a price point you can only dream of Apple hardware. Facebook/Inst/Wapp and Google show that the majority of people go with 'Geiz ist geil' (cheap is cool), privacy be damned. Awareness doesn't necessar…

> Windows (likely) always could offer better privacy for a fee. You can buy a Windows computer incl. IMO what I paid for my Windows Pro license is already that fee and then some.

I also paid for the Windows Pro license, but I meant the continued maintenance and free (bi)yearly updates. IIRC the license was around 50 € this cannot cover the full cost for the (let's say) 5+ years computer lifetime support.

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Post by cosmodisk »

lostmsu wrote: post #130
kuzehanka wrote: post #45

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Linux seems to be doing just fine keeping software maintained without ads or harvesting data. This mindset is toxic and needs to die.

> Linux seems to be doing just fine keeping software maintained without ads or harvesting data. Ugh. I am quite proficient with tech stuff, but last month trying Ubuntu 18.04 LTS on my desktop left me pretty disappointed. A hard no-no for anyone non-technical: the graphical login did not work until I manually switched to the text terminal and installed the latest NVidia driver (Titan V). And even now one of my screen…

100% agree. Linux is great for developers or server admins but when it comes to an average Joe from the office,it is 20 years behind windows. It may look similar,it may feel a little similar but it is not.Most of the apps are complete shit, it is difficult to do things unless you an admin or technical user and etc. My job is split in half- one side is technical and I'd be happy with Linux, the other is a business user and this side will never switch to Linux,or not until all the MS products are ported to Linux.

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Post by mwilsonthomas »

TheIronYuppie wrote: post #110
spectramax wrote: post #36

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There is telemetry built into VS Code that you can turn off, but it is turned on by default. There is no way to know how they're using that data. Microsoft also collects data on Office365 platform and even local Office 2019 installs. I was trying was to make a tongue in cheek point, rather than specifically digging into exact methods of how they collect data. You may be right but it is besides the core issue we are d…

We don't do any training on your data. Telemetry is largely for feature use tracking (eg we should really do better around this component, everyone is using it). There is absolutely no ads overlap at all. Literally none. Disclosure: I work at Azure but not on VS Code

You can read more about exactly how the IntelliCode feature uses telemetry and data here:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/intellicode/in... - No user-defined code is sent to Microsoft, but we do collect information about your use of the IntelliCode results.

For base model suggestions, which are open source or .NET types and members, we capture whether you selected an IntelliCode suggestion and log the name of the suggestion. Microsoft uses the data to monitor the quality of the base model. For custom models, we capture whether you selected an IntelliCode suggestion but do not log the names of your user-defined types or methods.

Thanks Mark Wilson-Thomas Program Manager Visual Studio IntelliCode

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Post by marmaduke »

spectramax wrote: post #140
bovermyer wrote: post #127

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I'm both wary of and hopeful about Microsoft and Google. "Trust but verify" and all that.

I’ve always found this phrase an oxymoron.

it's like preparing for the worst, while hoping for the best

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Post by rocqua »

stupidcar wrote: post #174
bovermyer wrote: post #145

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Where humans are involved, mistakes will happen. Trusting someone but verifying their work is a safe and sane pairing.

How is verifying everything because you don't trust people not to make a mistake operationally different from verifying everything because you suspect bad faith? To the supposed trusted party, the result is the same: you not taking them at their word and instead checking whatever they do. Even if you're being honest about only verifying to avoid mistakes, you can never prove it. This definition of "trust but verify"…

If you suspect bad faith (i.e. don't trust someone) you don't even get in business. If you trust someone but verify their work, you get in business but still limit damage if they turn out to act in bad faith.

Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by calvinbhai »

mandeepj wrote: post #227
calvinbhai wrote: post #93

Having read Nadella's book Hit Refresh as soon as it went on sale, Microsoft performance since then doesn't look surprising at all. Having listed what's wrong (with their product focus, company culture etc), and where they plan to head, its' almost like the book informs the reader where puck is going to be (from Satya's POV). It's funny that 15 years back I was so anti MS and pro Google and now I think it's the other…

> the book informs the reader where puck is going to be (from Satya's POV) Satya became CEO during the beginning of 2014. And, the book was published on September 26, 2017. So, you read it when the puck was in transit.

True. Not disagreeing with that.

But it was interesting to know the foundations of the transition being laid from day 1 with Nadella as CEO. The book is more like a little bit of a background of Nadella (his life in India and early days in US) and a little bit about his career in microsoft before becoming CEO and the rest of it is about the transition from pre-CEO to CEO and the initial months.

TBH, I was a bit skeptical that culture change that he focussed on would end up having such a huge impact. But I was sure that his work in terms of focus on cloud, AI, ML and also considering the challenges of such computing power, certainly was the right direction for MS to move.

Re: Microsoft, currently the most valuable company, is having a Nadellaissance

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Post by manigandham »

sha666sum wrote: post #246
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #133

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> It's funny that 15 years back I was so anti MS and pro Google and now I think it's the other way! You should be pro-neither. Microsoft used to be against FOSS because they thought it would make them more money; Microsoft is currently friendlier to FOSS because they think it will make them more money. Does that make them bad people? No because all businesses are that way, even the vaunted "don't be evil" Google.

Even when Microsoft does FOSS, they do it in a way that has "proprietary" written all over it. I'm quite excited about writing C# on Linux, but slapping a MIT license on code you release is only half the deal. Yesterday I decided to write some C# code on Linux. That's easy, I thought: VSCode and .NET Core can both be found in Arch's repos these days. I just have to set an environment variable and edit VSCode's settin…

VSCode and Visual Studio Code are the same thing, so what do you mean? Are you saying the repo is not providing the actual VSCode?
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