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Don't Waste Time on User Onboarding

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Re: Don't Waste Time on User Onboarding

#61

I get that there are probably established best practices that people follow for designing onboarding but I've never experienced one as a user that I didn't want to immediately dismiss or skip through.

Same. 9 times out of 10 I don't want to learn a new tool, just use an intuitive, predictable UI. If I need to "read the instructions" first, your app is probably trying to do too much.

Keep it simple and only use onboarding if your app is truly novel.

Re: Don't Waste Time on User Onboarding

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to see ads, ever . I hope a growing number of people feel the same way. I don't care about the business model of the whole internet. It is obviously a house of cards. A business model based on bad UX? I hope it collapses. No, I don't know what will replace it. I don't care, as long as it doesn't involve ads. I really don't care if the ads are innocuous or labeled or relevant. I don't ever want to see an…

Have you ever ran a business? Curious to how you promote a business without ads or sponsored content to get the word out there to the masses..

On that note, I have nothing against sponsored content. For example, a blog on programming that happens to have posts sponsored by a company that specializes in dev tools or something.

That makes perfect sense!

Sure, some of it can be puff-pieces for the company and they are quite clearly just bullshit but it's easy to leave and go elsewhere if they take the piss.

A banner at the top of a blog post saying "this content was kindly sponsored by " is a great idea and more should do it.

But they don't!

They use ad networks that track the ever-living shit out of every move you make.

That's the issue for me!

Re: Don't Waste Time on User Onboarding

#64
post #40

I get that there are probably established best practices that people follow for designing onboarding but I've never experienced one as a user that I didn't want to immediately dismiss or skip through.

Likewise. However, it’s worth remembering that the average user of a website that’s called “Hacker News” is almost certainly more tech-savvy than the average user of any app we create. My solution is, just as the article suggests: > Okay, so your service is immensely easier to navigate since you ran it past a battery of theoretical users. Now cut half of it out. Perhaps that applies no matter how big the app gets, pe…

It's more for the "onboarding" session that you'd cut half the app out, I could have made that more clear. The idea is that you're looking to sprint to value, to get the user's eyeballs on the most-important part of your service ASAP. Otherwise, they don't stick around to explore and find all the power tools. In normal usage, you should definitely have an easy way to find and use all features, but that's a broader product design question, not an onboarding one.

Re: Don't Waste Time on User Onboarding

#65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to see ads, ever . I hope a growing number of people feel the same way. I don't care about the business model of the whole internet. It is obviously a house of cards. A business model based on bad UX? I hope it collapses. No, I don't know what will replace it. I don't care, as long as it doesn't involve ads. I really don't care if the ads are innocuous or labeled or relevant. I don't ever want to see an…

Have you ever ran a business? Curious to how you promote a business without ads or sponsored content to get the word out there to the masses..

Good old SEO?

I mean if your product fills a unique niche it should be really easy to rank high. Get your first few customers like that, then because your product is revolutionary, word of mouth will do the rest.

A real-world example: Monzo, a modern bank in the UK. They only very recently started using advertising, but got their first million customers with nothing but word of mouth. Their secret? Simply making a product that's light-years ahead of what the existing banks provide.

Your product is not revolutionary? Oh then I don't know (actually I do - make a revolutionary product - switch industries if necessary), but you're not entitled to waste my time, attention & privacy with ads just so your business can survive. Being profitable is not a right, I couldn't care less if you go out of business.

Re: Don't Waste Time on User Onboarding

#67
It has it's place for the right use case. Superhuman requires you to go through a 30 minute on-boarding one on one with a person. Superhuman isn't the most intuitive if you don't take the time to learn it as it's efficiencies come from keyboard shortcuts and features that differ from established email norms. For this kind of B2B app with a certain level complexity a seamless on-boarding makes all the difference. I never would have use the app long term if not for the process.

Re: Don't Waste Time on User Onboarding

#68
While the article has done good points about what to do instead of an on-boarding, I'd also suggest on-boarding can be good for the user. Video games tend to do on-boarding, and often it's not skippable and covers very basic idioms (use the left stick/WASD to move).

The difference I think it's the novelty of the new environment and a sense of accomplishment that it rarely is a chore. So go ahead and on-board if the user gets to see something very cool.

Re: Don't Waste Time on User Onboarding

#69

I get that there are probably established best practices that people follow for designing onboarding but I've never experienced one as a user that I didn't want to immediately dismiss or skip through.

If a product wants me to go through a lengthy onboarding session, whether it be with a representative or through some guided tutorial it's an immediate turnoff and I will likely abandon right then and there.

Personal anecdote:

We were evaluating Cisco AppDynamics last year as we were in the market for an APM product and, unfortunately, we are a huge Cisco shop. They wanted to hold our hand and walk us through everything, and the product was certainly in a state where I can't blame them - the agent sucked to deploy, they had a nice little UI to configure things during install but after that it was all editing XML. Sure, I could automate it all with Ansible - but you could tell they knew the UX sucked and they just wanted you to get through the onboarding quick and hope you didn't notice.

We ended up purchasing Dynatrace instead, I started a trial with no intervention from sales reps. They made their happy onboarding path a "game" (they have "quests" in the UI to guide you through the various parts of the product) but otherwise threw you right in with no handholding. The agent was stupid simple to deploy (here's a manifest to deploy to OpenShift, here's a .msi to install on Windows) and it picked everything up automatically and started working. Figured everything else out by just playing with the tool, with the docs as an aide.

// End anecdote

I think onboarding has a place, but it shouldn't hold a user hostage. I really liked Dynatrace's approach, especially as the "quests" were covering different components of the product and could be tackled in any order - they also weren't guided tours but instead directed me to investigate other parts of the tool and perform certain actions, even providing a carrot (free credit) for completing them.

Re: Don't Waste Time on User Onboarding

#70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to see ads, ever . I hope a growing number of people feel the same way. I don't care about the business model of the whole internet. It is obviously a house of cards. A business model based on bad UX? I hope it collapses. No, I don't know what will replace it. I don't care, as long as it doesn't involve ads. I really don't care if the ads are innocuous or labeled or relevant. I don't ever want to see an…

Have you ever ran a business? Curious to how you promote a business without ads or sponsored content to get the word out there to the masses..

SEO, good content marketing, sponsoring blogs and videos (when done tastefully), product placement, engaging with communities, talking about it in HN/ProductHunt/etc.

All those things are acceptable to most people who block ads, IMO.

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