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Re: System76 News: Coreboot and Linux Advances

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Post by svrtknst » Thu, May 02, 2019, 8:19 AM UTC

jaabe wrote: post #91

Jean-Philipe wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is why I became a Mac user. Heard this from so many people. We have the latest (2017-2018) MBP at work and every single one has serious keyboard problems. Other than that, I have had crashes and random reboots when on battery, with a black screen error message, sound issues (solved by turning volume down, switching outputs back and forth, or rebooting) wifi problems (solved by switching off bluetooth). And don…

The touchbar is crap, and being a Danish programmer hitting those {} keys really sucks on a mac keyboard. Everything else has been miles better than Linux though. I mean, when I left fedora 21 for a Mac I had close to a hundred scripts for modifications to make it tolerable. On my Mac I have 0.

It's been roughly 10 years since I programmed on a Macbook (Leopard represent), and I did that on a Swedish keyboard so things might be wildly different, but I really really liked mac keyboards for braces and brackets.

Windows requires thumb acrobatics and Alt gr, whereas Macs used shift and option to modify "increasingly".

Re: System76 News: Coreboot and Linux Advances

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Post by vkazanov » Thu, May 02, 2019, 8:35 AM UTC

baroffoos wrote: post #84

jaabe wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't have any obsession with distros. I want one that works. This is why I became a Mac user. After 15 years of Linux I was just done with all the bullshit, but I guess I could look into Pop!_OS.

I have found fedora to be the just works distro as long as you pick the right hardware to start. A dell XPS + fedora has been the most productive setup I have ever had.

I tend to just use the Dell XPS with Ubuntu preinstalled: hardware-related things really do just work.

For everything else I have Emacs :-)

Re: System76 News: Coreboot and Linux Advances

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Re: System76 News: Coreboot and Linux Advances

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Post by simula67 » Thu, May 02, 2019, 9:09 AM UTC

jaabe wrote: post #83

tonysickpony wrote: post #63

I love Pop!_OS. I have used Gentoo, Ubuntu and Arch in the past 10 years. I ended up with Antergos packaged version of Arch with a bunch of personal tweaks. I tried different distro every now and then but always ended disappointed. My only needs for distros are to install softwares I use and run them. It turns out to be significantly hard, none of the distros do that without glitches, screen tearing and inconsistency…

> I don't have any obsession with distros. I want one that works. This is why I became a Mac user. After 15 years of Linux I was just done with all the bullshit, but I guess I could look into Pop!_OS.

This is probably why the 'Year of the Linux Desktop' never arrived. The introduction of Macs probably crippled the Linux desktop market. Without Macs companies like System76 would probably have been more successful as more developers demand a good quality Unix compatible machine.

Re: System76 News: Coreboot and Linux Advances

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Post by AsyncAwait » Thu, May 02, 2019, 9:22 AM UTC

jaabe wrote: post #83

tonysickpony wrote: post #63

I love Pop!_OS. I have used Gentoo, Ubuntu and Arch in the past 10 years. I ended up with Antergos packaged version of Arch with a bunch of personal tweaks. I tried different distro every now and then but always ended disappointed. My only needs for distros are to install softwares I use and run them. It turns out to be significantly hard, none of the distros do that without glitches, screen tearing and inconsistency…

> I don't have any obsession with distros. I want one that works. This is why I became a Mac user. After 15 years of Linux I was just done with all the bullshit, but I guess I could look into Pop!_OS.

I don't doubt it's true, but it seems strange to me that because you have many choices, you go to a platform with no choice.

Just because there are many choices doesn't mean you can't make one and stick with it, I've been on Arch for almost a decade now and there aren't many compelling reasons for me to switch all this time later.

I'd think for many the same is true with Ubuntu LTS.

Re: System76 News: Coreboot and Linux Advances

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Post by Fnoord » Thu, May 02, 2019, 9:39 AM UTC

dxxvi wrote: post #66

tonysickpony wrote: post #63

I love Pop!_OS. I have used Gentoo, Ubuntu and Arch in the past 10 years. I ended up with Antergos packaged version of Arch with a bunch of personal tweaks. I tried different distro every now and then but always ended disappointed. My only needs for distros are to install softwares I use and run them. It turns out to be significantly hard, none of the distros do that without glitches, screen tearing and inconsistency…

Lucky you because there's an OS that tweaks everything to your liking. The fact that Pop!_OS is not a rolling distro might be a big - for many people.

Rolling distributions simply do not provide the stability for serious production environments.

Re: System76 News: Coreboot and Linux Advances

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Post by craigsmansion » Thu, May 02, 2019, 9:41 AM UTC

jaabe wrote: post #91

Jean-Philipe wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is why I became a Mac user. Heard this from so many people. We have the latest (2017-2018) MBP at work and every single one has serious keyboard problems. Other than that, I have had crashes and random reboots when on battery, with a black screen error message, sound issues (solved by turning volume down, switching outputs back and forth, or rebooting) wifi problems (solved by switching off bluetooth). And don…

The touchbar is crap, and being a Danish programmer hitting those {} keys really sucks on a mac keyboard. Everything else has been miles better than Linux though. I mean, when I left fedora 21 for a Mac I had close to a hundred scripts for modifications to make it tolerable. On my Mac I have 0.

If I understand you correctly, over the course of 15 years of upgrades on Linux you ended up with almost a hundred scripts to make your DE on Fedora "tolerable", but then you bought a mac and everything has been perfect from the beginning even in between updates with zero regressions in usability for you personally?

If so, good for you, but that doesn't make a non "one size fits all" approach "bullshit".

Re: System76 News: Coreboot and Linux Advances

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Post by ekianjo » Thu, May 02, 2019, 9:44 AM UTC

deanclatworthy wrote: post #98

tonysickpony wrote: post #63

I love Pop!_OS. I have used Gentoo, Ubuntu and Arch in the past 10 years. I ended up with Antergos packaged version of Arch with a bunch of personal tweaks. I tried different distro every now and then but always ended disappointed. My only needs for distros are to install softwares I use and run them. It turns out to be significantly hard, none of the distros do that without glitches, screen tearing and inconsistency…

Forgive me for asking, but what is different about this than Ubuntu 19.04? I looked through the POP!_OS (terrible name btw) promo page [1] and the majority of the things it's talking about are basic Gnome features shipped with Ubuntu? [1] https://system76.com/pop

mostly custom icon pack and the inclusion of nvidia drivers by default. Seems to work out of the box with laptops with nvidia cards

Re: System76 News: Coreboot and Linux Advances

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Post by alrs » Thu, May 02, 2019, 9:48 AM UTC

simula67 wrote: post #104

jaabe wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't have any obsession with distros. I want one that works. This is why I became a Mac user. After 15 years of Linux I was just done with all the bullshit, but I guess I could look into Pop!_OS.

This is probably why the 'Year of the Linux Desktop' never arrived. The introduction of Macs probably crippled the Linux desktop market. Without Macs companies like System76 would probably have been more successful as more developers demand a good quality Unix compatible machine.

System76 would have never happened, Dell and HP were already pushing Linux before OSX dropped. In the year 2000:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/dell-linuxs-new-best-friend-50...

Re: System76 News: Coreboot and Linux Advances

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Post by ekianjo » Thu, May 02, 2019, 9:51 AM UTC

HankB99 wrote: post #44

morganvachon wrote: post #41

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I consider the cost acceptable given they don't just "slap Ubuntu on it". The hardware is curated towards 100% Linux compatibility, and their custom OS (admittedly an Ubuntu variant) is tweaked to suit the hardware. It's a good marriage and to some it's worth the extra cost. Look at it like you would a Macbook; Apple charges a premium but the benefit the buyer receives from that extra cost is hardware and software th…

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