Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community • Hacker News Board

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by jkukul » Wed, May 01, 2019, 10:41 AM UTC

neurotrace wrote: post #67

liveoneggs wrote: post #24

I hope projects will get rid of JIRA now!

I recently moved to a company that uses Jira. What kinds of problems should I be looking out for?

Be careful when writing longer comments or creating issues with long descriptions. Your work is not persisted, so in case of an unfortunate event you lose all your input. This happened to my colleagues several times and caused a lot of frustrations.

There's a famous issue dating all the way to 2006 for this: https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRASERVER-9292

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by jlokier » Wed, May 01, 2019, 11:14 AM UTC

craigsmansion wrote: post #189

jlokier wrote: post #166

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There were more people having problems than Tridge. I was there, and I was told in private mail by the author of BitKeeper that I did not have permission to use it, because of my work on respository analysis software that looked like it would get too close for comfort. That's without any reverse engineering. I never used BitKeeper, or connected to the server, or read the infamous "help" text. It meant I couldn't part…

My apologies. I didn't want to gainsay your claim, but I've noticed I've been getting older [1] and things that happened "recently" and "should be common knowledge", are not, in fact, exactly that for everyone. I wanted to point out that it was not a very loose "pragmatic and/or ideological" argument back then, but there were very specific actions and respected actors involved. You obviously, being directly involved,…

Thanks for the apology, but no worries, it isn't needed :-)

That's interesting. I read your comment as making out that it was _merely_ one person (Tridge) who had a problem with BitKeeper and BK didn't deserve the flak, but I read your later comment as making out that BK did deserve it.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by rectang » Wed, May 01, 2019, 1:03 PM UTC

jjirsa wrote: post #250

rectang wrote: post #233

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I encourage you (and everyone else) to look more closely at the ASF budget. As noted above, it's 80% for infrastructure, and that is supporting hundreds of projects. Some of those are simple, some are not at all (Hadoop, Cordova, Spark, OpenOffice, Mesos, CloudStack, etc.). In fact, many of those projects rely on other resources not included in that 800k: How much does it cost to run a testing farm for all the device…

Note that the asf infra is - at best - insufficient. Cassandra relied heavily on donated Jenkins worker VMs for all tests because the asf donated VMs couldn’t run the test suites. Recently we started moving tests to circleci... because it was better than waiting 24 hours for tests to run in Jenkins.

While Infra's suite of services is perfectly adequate for many projects, it's not uncommon for resource-intensive projects which strain Infra in one way or another to have to improvise. That's what I was alluding to with the build farm for Cordova -- don't quote me on this, but I believe it's provided by Adobe (and may even run on PhoneGap).

Things would probably be different if the ASF was a pay-to-play 501(c)(6) "business league" rather than a 501(c)(3) charity. Then the Foundation would have more funding at the price of having to answer to corporate masters.

But since ASF Infra must run lean, it is forever trying to find ways to do more with less -- and Github integration is an instance of that.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by srndh » Thu, May 02, 2019, 8:16 AM UTC

saurik wrote: post #122

Apparently, one of the big motivating reasons for this was "cost". > The foundation’s 2018 five-year strategic plan noted that infrastructure services account for more than 80 percent of the total ASF expense budget, adding: “Increasingly, project communities have infrastructure requirements that strain the capabilities of the ASF.” > The report noted that, given burgeoning costs, encouraging the use of more external…

Sounds like a stupid question, but I am seriously asking it.

What was the infrastructure of ASF? Own servers? Wouldn't moving to a cloud provide helped reduce cost?

Ethically speaking, isn't it a conflict of interest that an idol of the open-source world is pairing up with Microsoft. Now that Microsoft has lost the former glory, they are desperately trying present a clean image, but all their deeds of the past are still fresh. I am waiting for the MSJVM 2.0 with github & atom & VSCode.

How is the Linux or FSF or Mozilla repo hosted? Scaling issues with GIT cannot be only tackled by Microsoft & Google.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by pas » Thu, May 02, 2019, 1:07 PM UTC

joshuamorton wrote: post #96

colbyrussell wrote: post #77

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"Easy" like: git diff master..bugfix > bugfix.patch # or `format-patch` # now attach/upload bugfix.patch Instead of: # make sure you click around github.com to create third fork git remote add unnecessary-third-fork $THIRDFORK git push unnecessary-third-fork bugfix firefox $THIRDFORK # now click around to file a PR # now wait for your PR to be merged # now click around on github.com to delete $THIRDFORK # ... unless…

Now how does CI work with that first workflow?

in case of the linux kernel, there are bots that lurk on lists and then sometimes they send you a mail if they found a bug running whatever arcane test suite on your code.

so, in general, it works like shit, but some people are not willing to accept this, because "it works for me".