I think it's deeply irresponsible to create a device which can drive in 90 or 95% of scenarios. It's just a way to fool humans into killing themselves.
Tesla sued in wrongful death lawsuit that alleges Autopilot caused crash
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Re: Tesla sued in wrongful death lawsuit that alleges Autopilot caused crash
#22That news about this case is being spread everywhere irks me a bit, because people aren't considering the actual circumstances of the accident. Excerpt from the article: "According to the family, Mr. Huang was well aware that Autopilot was not perfect and, specifically, he told them it was not reliable in that exact location, yet he nonetheless engaged Autopilot at that location. The crash happened on a clear day wit…
Your argument sounds the same as: people who smoke know that cigarettes cause cancer, in fact it says that on the pack, still they decide to smoke. So, if they get cancer and die it's their fault not the cigarette manufacturer's.
Do you disagree with that?
Re: Tesla sued in wrongful death lawsuit that alleges Autopilot caused crash
#23That news about this case is being spread everywhere irks me a bit, because people aren't considering the actual circumstances of the accident. Excerpt from the article: "According to the family, Mr. Huang was well aware that Autopilot was not perfect and, specifically, he told them it was not reliable in that exact location, yet he nonetheless engaged Autopilot at that location. The crash happened on a clear day wit…
Your argument sounds the same as: people who smoke know that cigarettes cause cancer, in fact it says that on the pack, still they decide to smoke. So, if they get cancer and die it's their fault not the cigarette manufacturer's.
Cigarette manufacturers got sued into oblivion because they suppressed science and insisted their product was beneficial. Now that they acknowledge the dangers, nobody’s suing.
Re: Tesla sued in wrongful death lawsuit that alleges Autopilot caused crash
#24That news about this case is being spread everywhere irks me a bit, because people aren't considering the actual circumstances of the accident. Excerpt from the article: "According to the family, Mr. Huang was well aware that Autopilot was not perfect and, specifically, he told them it was not reliable in that exact location, yet he nonetheless engaged Autopilot at that location. The crash happened on a clear day wit…
Well yeah but he’s not the one suing. The family lost him and probably isn’t thinking rationally. Or, maybe they are thinking rationally. Lawyers probably took the suit on contingency right?
That's fair enough, but the problem I have is the way this event is being portrayed in news and social media. The implication everywhere is that autopilot just unexpectedly swerved into a wall and there was nothing the driver could have done. It actually was expected, and any reasonable driver could have easily prevented it, because it had almost happened so many times in the past.
Re: Tesla sued in wrongful death lawsuit that alleges Autopilot caused crash
#25While I'm not quite sure about Tesla's responsibility, I do think CA DOT has its part in this tragic accident. Had the attenuator been replaced right after the previous accident, it could have saved the driver's life.
Usually I don't complain much about the gov, but just look at the construction mess they've created on 101, it's been like that for more than 4 years!
Re: Tesla sued in wrongful death lawsuit that alleges Autopilot caused crash
#26Tesla is playing with lives and should stop offering Autopilot.
Anything less than L4 autonomous driving is completely reckless. Calling it "Autopilot" when it's an L2 system should be criminal.
Yes, it's an extreme stance, but we're going to have a really hard time getting out true autonomous driving when companies are playing around with people's lives. You can say "well they know the risks" but it's not a closed situation. There are others on the road who will also die because of Autopilot mistakes.
Re: Tesla sued in wrongful death lawsuit that alleges Autopilot caused crash
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well yeah but he’s not the one suing. The family lost him and probably isn’t thinking rationally. Or, maybe they are thinking rationally. Lawyers probably took the suit on contingency right?
That's fair enough, but the problem I have is the way this event is being portrayed in news and social media. The implication everywhere is that autopilot just unexpectedly swerved into a wall and there was nothing the driver could have done. It actually was expected, and any reasonable driver could have easily prevented it, because it had almost happened so many times in the past.
This is the issue with wireless updates on any vehicle.
What if tomorrow Autopilot is updated and it begins occurring 2 miles down the road?
Re: Tesla sued in wrongful death lawsuit that alleges Autopilot caused crash
#28Tesla is playing with lives and should stop offering Autopilot. Anything less than L4 autonomous driving is completely reckless. Calling it "Autopilot" when it's an L2 system should be criminal. Yes, it's an extreme stance, but we're going to have a really hard time getting out true autonomous driving when companies are playing around with people's lives. You can say "well they know the risks" but it's not a closed s…
> Anything less than L4 autonomous driving is completely reckless.
"L4 autonomous driving is completely wreck-less"?
Re: Tesla sued in wrongful death lawsuit that alleges Autopilot caused crash
#29I think it's deeply irresponsible to create a device which can drive in 90 or 95% of scenarios. It's just a way to fool humans into killing themselves.
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Re: Tesla sued in wrongful death lawsuit that alleges Autopilot caused crash
#30That news about this case is being spread everywhere irks me a bit, because people aren't considering the actual circumstances of the accident. Excerpt from the article: "According to the family, Mr. Huang was well aware that Autopilot was not perfect and, specifically, he told them it was not reliable in that exact location, yet he nonetheless engaged Autopilot at that location. The crash happened on a clear day wit…
As we've heard from other Tesla drivers on HN in the past: Tesla continues to deliver OTA updates, which occasionally causes people to think that previous issues have been fixed, especially if they haven't popped up again recently. Either they continue to avoid using autopilot because they can't take the chance of finding out whether Tesla ever bothered fixing the problem, or they give it a test, think it's working fine now, and are lulled into security ... right until it doesn't work again.